Pro-paedophilia campaigner locked up - too blinking right!!!

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Sick

Incidentally, did anyone see the story on the BBC News website about the sex offender who handed himself in? Just seems relevant to the thread, somehow...

Diva I give up you are never going to understand what I am saying. I don't want to offend you but as far as I can see you are guilty of black and white thinking whereas I very much challenge my own tendency to think like this.

I have three children so I share the same protective instincts as you but I can also think and act outside of that. I hoped through this discussion you might realise that you can have all these instincts and fears just as I do but also stare these issues in the face and listen and understand - even develop empathy toward those individuals who threaten to rock our world and harm our families. It doesn't mean you are accepting their behaviour or condoning it and it doesn't mean you are valuing the abuser over the victim. Simply, it means you are prepared to consider and understand all sides so that you are better placed to deal with the issues.

I hold my views for two reasons; firstly because I believe we are all human and that we owe it to each other to understand and help one another in ALL instances and to show compassion; and secondly because I think a tactical approach is better than knee jerk bollock chopping hysteria.

i do understand what you are saying,i have done all along.i have drawn my own conclusions about why you need to feel this way and i will leave this thread now.

Newlife, your posts are crystal clear.

However not everyone agrees with your point of view.

Sometimes people think that if you understand a point someone is making you will be obliged to agree with it.

Well, we do seem to have generated more heat than light on this thread.

I'm sure that if one doesn't wish to understand, then there is not a great deal more to say to KM, diva or Camm. here, is there?

"i dont know why you feel the need to defend paedophiles/chil abusers to the bitter end.do you have children?" from diva.

No, no-one is 'defending' sex offenders. I think some people are trying to reduce the incidence of abuse in a "democratic" state that doesn't sanction state-sponsored murder, or lock people away forever as a habit. Others, like you three, it appears to me, just wish to restate your violent intent,( kill them/lock them up for ever etc) in the face of reasoned counter-argument.

So, I too will drop off this thread.

oh ffs.

i did not say 'sex offenders'.that would include adults who rape/sexually assault other adults.i was talking about those who are sexually attracted to children,and act on it(by downloading images of abuse,or by actually abusing),and i feel that to say there are reasons why they do these things other than they are disgusting perverts who do not deserve a place in society,is to defend them.i do not wish to consider the life events that have driven them to behave in this way,because i think that,as adults,they should be able to control themselves,and that if they dont,they should be punished accordingly,preferably in such a way that they will never be able to harm a child again.

like i said,i have learnt to accept that some people are just scum and unable(or unwilling) to consider the feelings/needs of others.

'Child sexual abusers are NOT human. They are animals who exert no control over their sick urges. '

kerry. have you ever done anything that you knew you didn't want to do but did it anyway? overeating for example. not being reasonable in a situation that you wanted to be reasonable in?

it is the same thing. we ALL have compulsions over which we have no control. all of us.

I said that sophable but then I was told off for clutching at straws and trying to make people look ignirant

ignorant of course

PS I think that most humans are actually human

well then stop. immediately. you can do it. ffs. stop ever overeating.

NOT EASY IS IT?

and for the purposes of my argument there isn't a difference in the sense that a compulsion born of early wounds is for the most part irresistable. we all know that somewhere in us. only if we embark on a healing journey can we break that....and lots of people don't have the opportunity.

but you do have compulsions. that are self destructive. remember my thing about women hurting themselves and men hurting others?

kerry. being gay is a harder life. being a paedo is NEVER a happy one.

i know they destroy. i know they do something just so so unbelievably abhorrently awful. but they ARE human. and they ARE injured. they are.

Pan, at no point have I said kill/lock them up forever.

My strongest statement was that I am glad the person who abused the member of my family is dead.

Agree that the protection of children has to be paramount.

and i have yet to see any evidence to suggest that the majority of child abusers have really been abused themselves.not that it would be an excuse.they are not broken,they are sick f**ks.

and comparing a compulsion to abuse children to a compulsion to overeat is pathetic.many humans do have compulsions but they are within our control.

somebody who is compelled to inject themself with heroin making them incapable of looking after children,would most likely have their children taken away from them untill they get clean(in areas with efficient social services).so compulsions that put others at risk would most likely be delt with.somebody who is compelled to abuse children is such a risk that IMO the only way to deal with it is to remove them from society altogether.

my strong urge to stuff my face with cake and chocolate 7 days before im due on does not make me a danger to my children.i dont think there is any comparison.

yeah, it's typical. Happens all the time.

paedos human??

oh for f*cks sake.Now I have heard everything