i found this about madeleine

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Intercepted telephone calls and emails between the McCanns and their friends have "confirmed the death of Madeleine" say police, according to one Portuguese newspaper today. The intercepts are said to have been made in a joint operation conducted by Portuguese and British police officers.
Diario de Noticias reports investigators have already concluded that the missing four-year-old was killed in the apartment where she slept in Praia da Luz.

It says that Maddy's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann (right), and their friends who were holidaying at the Ocean Club, will be brought in for further questioning. Police are awaiting new tests from the McCanns' Renault Scenic.

According to another paper, Jornal de Noticias, police want to examine inconsistencies in the statements of Kate and Gerry McCann, who were interviewed separately late into the night early on in the investigation. In particular, they want to focus on a three-hour period in which only the McCanns saw Madeleine.

Respected news agency Lusa quotes one police source saying that they think "there's light at the end of the tunnel" and that the authorities have "an idea of what could have happened" to the four-year-old.

Police have known "for a month" that Madeleine had died in the apartment, it is widely reported. The tabloid newspaper 24 Horas says that the police are looking for Madeleine's body in the sea, helped by English sniffer dogs. They have intensified searches around the nearby town of Lagos and along the Algarvian coast, it says.

Blood found in the apartment two days ago has arrived in Britain for DNA analysis: a result can be expected inside 48 hours.

what Kate McCann thought about the room unfortunately doesnt constitute proof about what actually occurred.

Until something solid is released to the public, its all conjecture and speculation.

No Binkle. not no proof- there may be loads- no proof that we, as univolved bystanders, know of

very different

What Peachy said.

http://formadeleine.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=news&action=display&thread=1180304465&page=62

this thread on the For Madeleine site tries to keep abreast of reports in various media. Think you need to register to view it though, not sure

formadeleine.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=news&action=display&thread=1180304465&page=62
so annoying when the links don't work! Dunno why it didn't

the point i'm making is that everyone keeps referring to this as an abduction/kidnap. I'm not aware that has every been confirmed by any authority.

The McCanns are conveniently gagged when it suits them.
Curiously - the Evening Standard this evening shows a detailed map/photos of the distance between the flat and the bar - 120 yards, not 20, as teh McCans continue to claim. There is no explanation for suddenly decinding to show the actual route 3-4 months after the incident. If they lie about the distance, and the regualrity of the checks (is now being reported it was at least 55 minutes since the previous check, not the 30, they have repeated ad nauseum) then why should beleive any of their claims?

Also, have seen elsewhere that the reason Kate McC was so certain that m had not just wandered off, is that she was drugged because of her 'sleepwalking'. Nice.

Stop being so nasty.

Let's not forget the alleged framing by the detective of another set of parents one of whom I think was jailed following her daughter's death/disappearance. So who knows who to believe. If these emails and calls exist I expect someone will leak them.. I wish the British police had been there immediately. It's as if a really thorough check of things is being done now with better techniques very late which should have been done a good while back.

Jeez. THis thread stoops low. So what if they had to drug her because of her sleepwalking. i have a friend who does that for her child...

Nothing in the way of evidence is being released because of the (IMO stupid and counterproductive) Portuguese law that gags (yes) the McCanns and all witnesses.
The McCann's have categorically denied 'drugging' Madeleine. That sounds like yet another smear to me. They are being crucified by sections of the Portuguese press with collusion from the police, it seems.
And yes, Xenia is right. A mother was convicted of the murder of her daughter, and now the police who investigated that case are being charged, variously with 'torture' and of falsifying evidence. And that's a fact, not just nasty speculation.

don t know if its true about drugs for her sleep walking, but if it is I dont think it is the drugging that is so much of a prob but leaving a drugged child, isnt that dangerous?

It's totally irrelevant. the couple have absolutely denied it. They are doctors ffs.

Some of you really should be ashamed of yourselves.

But again, aloha, that is only something you've read in the press (as I have).

Just because someone says this woman is innocent of the crime does not make it so. She has been convicted, rightly or wrongly. But the story you cited came from the press ... just the same as the Madeleine sources.

We're all guilty of doing this (and not just with this case, but with life in general). We pick the bits we want to believe and we diss the rest.

There's a big difference between a colour piece speculating about what the McCanns are experiencing and a proper news report of actual charges. The copper leading the search for Madeleine has actually been charged in connection with beating up the mother of a(nother) missing child. That is a fact. And not the sort of thing newspapers make up.

Too true, and I'm not disagreeing. But being beaten up still doesn't necessarily make you innocent.

This is something our coppers were doing in the 70s. No doubt, the Portuguese police won't be doing this in thirty years time.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that our perceived wisdom is all coming from the newspapers, for better or worse.

And your perceived wisdom is coming from where? Your logic seems to be you can suggest what you want about someone, no matter how vile or nasty, as there is no proof to the contrary. Odd.

people formulate their opinions and views and theories on these things and then the various reports etc can generally be made to fit an individuals perception of events. Thats human nature and there is a term (I cant recall what it is right now) for it. Those that enforce their beliefs tend to be remembered and those which go against are subconsciously disregarded, until actual, irrefutable proof is established.

I would never, ever have thought as Maxine Carr held up the end of term card made for her by Holly and Jessica on sky news that she was in the least bit complicit in the events surrounding their disappearance - how wrong I was proved to be and I can accept that

people formulate their opinions and views and theories on these things and then the various reports etc can generally be made to fit an individuals perception of events. Thats human nature and there is a term (I cant recall what it is right now) for it. Those that enforce their beliefs tend to be remembered and those which go against are subconsciously disregarded, until actual, irrefutable proof is established.

I would never, ever have thought as Maxine Carr held up the end of term card made for her by Holly and Jessica on sky news that she was in the least bit complicit in the events surrounding their disappearance - how wrong I was proved to be and I can accept that

sorry for double post

Sorry, beansprout. I don't understand your post.

I can't have an opinion on things of this nature, because I wasn't there. I'm not talking specifics, I have no interest in them. I am simply saying that we can all pontificate till the cows come home, but it's all coming from the newspapers.

As a point of law, however heinous it is to beat a person into an admission of guilt, it does not necessarily mean that the person is therefore innocent.

It just means, on face value, that the copper is a twat.

I havent been nasty about anyone - I dont suspect the McCanns were complicit in this girls disappearance.

It's alright, Binkle. I believe that beany was referring to me. I'm not entirely sure why, but I shan't lose any sleep