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i found this about madeleine

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loopylou6 · 09/08/2007 21:33

Intercepted telephone calls and emails between the McCanns and their friends have "confirmed the death of Madeleine" say police, according to one Portuguese newspaper today. The intercepts are said to have been made in a joint operation conducted by Portuguese and British police officers.
Diario de Noticias reports investigators have already concluded that the missing four-year-old was killed in the apartment where she slept in Praia da Luz.

It says that Maddy's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann (right), and their friends who were holidaying at the Ocean Club, will be brought in for further questioning. Police are awaiting new tests from the McCanns' Renault Scenic.

According to another paper, Jornal de Noticias, police want to examine inconsistencies in the statements of Kate and Gerry McCann, who were interviewed separately late into the night early on in the investigation. In particular, they want to focus on a three-hour period in which only the McCanns saw Madeleine.

Respected news agency Lusa quotes one police source saying that they think "there's light at the end of the tunnel" and that the authorities have "an idea of what could have happened" to the four-year-old.

Police have known "for a month" that Madeleine had died in the apartment, it is widely reported. The tabloid newspaper 24 Horas says that the police are looking for Madeleine's body in the sea, helped by English sniffer dogs. They have intensified searches around the nearby town of Lagos and along the Algarvian coast, it says.

Blood found in the apartment two days ago has arrived in Britain for DNA analysis: a result can be expected inside 48 hours.

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verysweatybetty · 09/08/2007 22:05

What makes me feel like something isnt quiet right is there was a baby sitting service why didnt the use it?

wannaBe · 09/08/2007 22:07

I think the press coverage has been totally ott. That being said, it is the Mccanns' doing that there has been so much coverage. If they had not campaigned/written a blog/been to see the pope etc etc, then this case would not have received nearly as much attention as it has. The brittish public would not have taken this on in the way they have if the family hadn't made a concerted effort to keep this in the spotlight.

and ...

never say never..

Kewcumber · 09/08/2007 22:07

a local journalist told a british reporter that the portuguese police were leaking damning (and incorrect) alegations to detract from the shortcomings in the investigations coming to light. Of course thats only hearsay as well.

Bear in mind its the McCanns who have repeatedly petitioned the Portuguese authorities to let the British bring in the specialist dogs that went in a couple of days ago.

Peachy · 09/08/2007 22:07

There was an expert on the news earlier saying one of the reasons that the Portugese rpess are slurring the family is that they are jealous that the family did interviews with the Bristish press, nbut not the Portugese. If thats what it is then very childish! Similarly Portugese Police resentment at bristih police involvement.

Lets face it, if they know who did it we'll all know PDQ. they're ahrdly likely to let the McCanns wander around with the twins now,a re they?

Nose out of joint syndrome seems likely

verysweatybetty · 09/08/2007 22:08

i know i remember when pointing fingers went to sarah paines parents at first

LIZS · 09/08/2007 22:08

There wasn't a "babysitting service" as such - a late night creche or privately book one. Sorry this is old ground which has been well covered on MN before.

jojosmaman · 09/08/2007 22:09

Before anyone jumps on me I am not saying the Mcanns are implicated in Madelaines disappearance nor that she is dead but I believe they say that if you are murdered, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, that it is something like over 90% chance it will be by someone you know so it is not surprising that they are under suspicion and unfortunately always will be as long as this goes unsolved.

Pan · 09/08/2007 22:10

totally agree with expat....fill your days and thoughts with something else, why don't you.

and to say 'I only posted it out of interest' is a thin veil for 'this'll be controversial, as bollocks as I know it to be.'

verysweatybetty · 09/08/2007 22:11

well ive heard that a few times i know theres a few things that point me towards them and other things dont but without evidence we dont know who to blame

paulaplumpbottom · 09/08/2007 22:13

It seems like since Susan Smith the parents are always suspected first.

madamez · 09/08/2007 22:13

jojosmaman: you're not wrong, it nearly always is a family member - and it's certainly not unheard of for the 'bereaved' to do press conferences, etc, weeping and wailing, and then get charged and convicted. However, in this particular case, the sheer length of time it's gone on makes it seem a bit less likely that the family killed the kid: it's just not very feasible that whoever did it wouldn't have cracked by now and either confessed or given themselves away.

noddyholder · 09/08/2007 22:13

I do think the high profile and constant self promotion of this couple has been the strangest thing about this whole sorry affair.I do believe they should leave the village and let the residents and businesses get on and leave the detective work to the police.

paulaplumpbottom · 09/08/2007 22:15

I don't think its beenself promotion

Peachy · 09/08/2007 22:15

Please remember that even if its true that 90% of murdered children are killed by relations as is so widely quoted, that emans there is a very real 10% that are not.

We have an evidence based jury system in theis ocuntry, yet it seems poele with no access to the full facts are happy to sit in judgement nonetheless

beansprout · 09/08/2007 22:16

It was the advice that desperate parents were given. Any of us would have done the same.

Can we drop this now?

wannaBe · 09/08/2007 22:16

this speculation can't go on for ever, at some point a body will be found or an arrest will have to be made, although of course portuguese police have to have a certain amount of evidence to make an arrest.

If Madeleine was murdered in the apartment though, I would say it's certain that it was someone she knew that did it. A random murderer isn't going to break in, murder a child, and then clean up the evidence before legging it with the body...

Saturn74 · 09/08/2007 22:17

Agree with Beansprout.
Enough already!

binklehasflipped · 09/08/2007 22:18

with the greatest respect and this applies to ALL threads, if you dont like the content of the discussion, then avoid the thread.

Pan · 09/08/2007 22:20

Maybe the OP should have posted " i found this about madeleine "..and posting it here, I found out quite alot about myself.

Peachy · 09/08/2007 22:20

Why does a small amnount of blood point to murder, not a nosebleed?

forensics chap in The Times yesterday said a corpse would have to rpesent in a room 4 hours to leave an identifiable trace, he seemed to think it would be unlikely to work out as evidence

No wannabe they won't have to make an arrest uless they think they know the answers, plenty of cases stretch on unsolved, sdadly.

Also- please, we should remember that Madeleine's family isn't just her aprents, its her grandparenst, etc. imagine how they must feel about all this speculation- they're victims too

Anoah · 09/08/2007 22:21

Could the police be leaking this stuff so that the actual perp thinks he is in the clear and starts relaxing a little?

They might be trying to divert attention.

binklehasflipped · 09/08/2007 22:21

also, on MN'r pointed out it could be mozzy blood squished on the wall - an angle I'd never thought about till she said it.

Saturn74 · 09/08/2007 22:23

With the greatest of respect, if I find certain aspects of a thread to be distasteful, macabre and inappropriate on a public forum, I will post about it if I see fit.

Quattrocento · 09/08/2007 22:25

how silly. if they can identify whose blood it is, they can identify a bit of squashed mosquito

why have i done this?

i took a pledge not to post on these threads

sorry fellow pledgers

wannaBe · 09/08/2007 22:25

peachy from what was aledged, the police have emails/phone calls between the family/friends which point to the fact that they knew she was dead.

I do think the "self promotion" has been very strange actually, going to see the pope/extracts from the diary in the papers etc etc - we didn't really need to know any of that? None of it was really relevant to the case?