i found this about madeleine

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Intercepted telephone calls and emails between the McCanns and their friends have "confirmed the death of Madeleine" say police, according to one Portuguese newspaper today. The intercepts are said to have been made in a joint operation conducted by Portuguese and British police officers.
Diario de Noticias reports investigators have already concluded that the missing four-year-old was killed in the apartment where she slept in Praia da Luz.

It says that Maddy's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann (right), and their friends who were holidaying at the Ocean Club, will be brought in for further questioning. Police are awaiting new tests from the McCanns' Renault Scenic.

According to another paper, Jornal de Noticias, police want to examine inconsistencies in the statements of Kate and Gerry McCann, who were interviewed separately late into the night early on in the investigation. In particular, they want to focus on a three-hour period in which only the McCanns saw Madeleine.

Respected news agency Lusa quotes one police source saying that they think "there's light at the end of the tunnel" and that the authorities have "an idea of what could have happened" to the four-year-old.

Police have known "for a month" that Madeleine had died in the apartment, it is widely reported. The tabloid newspaper 24 Horas says that the police are looking for Madeleine's body in the sea, helped by English sniffer dogs. They have intensified searches around the nearby town of Lagos and along the Algarvian coast, it says.

Blood found in the apartment two days ago has arrived in Britain for DNA analysis: a result can be expected inside 48 hours.

.. and it's not the McCann's we're discussing, but a Portuguese lady who was imprisoned for killing her child, when it seems that she may have been innocent, but coerced into a confession.

I cant remember you being nasty at all Desi, just succint and reasoned in your arguement - perhaps not emotive enough for some eh?

Thank you, binkle. You rather read my mind!

It does mean the admission is worthless, though, Desi. As the Guildford Four, the Birmingham Six and many other victims of 1970s policing (esp. those who came up against the West Midlands Serious Crimes Squad) can testify.

I don't know how you can be so sure about that. They may be the lucky victors of political correctness, for all I know and for all you know.

Which goes back to my point. Bad policing is not necessarily an indicator of someone's guilt or innocence. It simply means that by the standards of our day, they were crap.

Nowadays, you can get let off the most heinous crime if letter 412b of paragraph 418A was not followed to the letter. Police corruption does not prove innocence.

As a codicil, I would repeat that I have no opinion on MM or the Portuguese lady who was arrested.

a quick highjack, please

Desiderata, did you get your name from that poem or whatever it was - "Go quietly amid the noise and haste, etc" that was popular in the '70s? I've been looking for it for years. Do you know what I'm on about?

Speak for yourself, Desi. I bothered to find out about those cases. And the victims of those miscarriages of justice have been cleared - casting further unwarranted suspicion on them just to score points in some sort of debating challenge is really low.

Desi..you're view is too short and narrow...bent coppers ARE a good reason to value innocence in courts.

leave it be

I've been watching this from the beginning, and haven't posted before, because I've seen how other posters have been torn apart for questioning the Mccanns. But, guess what, I don't care anymore.

I don't understand why the Mccanns are so certain their daughter was abducted - never even a moment's doubt, or consideration that she might have wandered.

I don't know why Kate Mccann, being so sure of an abduction when she found Madeleine's empty bed, then LEFT THE TWINS IN THE ROOM and ran back to the tapas bar. The abductor could have come back or them, for God's sake.

I don't understand why the Mccanns stated that Madeleine could not possibly have got out of bed on her own - unless she was drugged or tied down.

I've never seen parents of a missing child set up a limited company with such indecent haste, and raise nearly a million quid - which seems to have gone on their defence lawyers, rather than searching for the child. Had I donated I would be feeling pretty sick now. And you can bet that many of the people who donated don't earn in a year what there two do in a month.

I don't understand the need for the tour of europe, or the jetsetting celebrity pope-fawning.

I don't understand why there are conflicting accounts of the checks made on the children - were the diners bobbing up and down like corks, as they claim - or as others reported, did they hardly leave the table?

I don't understand why they lied about the line of sight from the tapas bar to the apartment. There isn't one.

I don't understand why Kate got back to the bar and cried 'they've taken her!' WHO has TAKEN who, Kate? Did you expect this to happen?

I don't understand how Kate reconciles her Catholic faith with having IVF - completely againt the teachings of her church.

I don't understand the media blackout that has stopped anything anti-mccan being said in the national press until recently, or why their local paper the Leicester Mercury, removes all anti-Mccann comments left in response to it's online coverage of the story - even removing the response option when a trickle of anger and puzzlement at the behaviour of this pair became a torrent.

Go on, then, tear me apart. I'll just go look at the good housekeeping thread, or something.

i don't think you would, to use your own term, 'understand', unless it was your own child that had disappeared.

I'm not getting into this argument at all apart from to say

"I don't understand how Kate reconciles her Catholic faith with having IVF - completely againt the teachings of her church."

what the hell has that got to do with anything??

She's got a pretty valid point about the media blackout, though, lucy.

It's very strong up here, too.

Despite that fact that they lied about how far they were from that apartment.

I mean, the BBC was standing in front of that apartment today.

It was a half flight of stairs and a latch gate from a road. Cars and vans were rolling past within seconds of each other as the reporter stood there.

I too think madefor raised some valid points re media

i mean that, more in terms of the understanding the mccans behaviour, rather than press coverage.

I've just come upon your last post, McEdam.

I don't think there was any need for it, tbh. What I said was perfectly logical. Perhaps that's the problem.

NFTBS - You put the unanswered questions very succintly. Ignore the flamers.

nftbs

Not all in life can be explained in terms which make perfect sense, or concur with logical outcome. Life and events can be rather random, haphazard and strange at times with absolutely no explanation or "understanding".

If you don't "understand" that life at times makes no sense, and there is never a neat little conclusion for everything, maybe you should stick to the good housekeeping threads.

nftbs I'm with you on this one

Judge - that is a fab name!

Hmm. I read NFTBS's post more along the lines of unanswered questions to some very valid points rather than 'understanding'.

Especially regarding the media blackout, which has been incredibly censorous here. Even more so than the US, where censorship is dreadfully common. That's scary to me, because - and I admit I am foreign - I construe it as: make a giant cock up that others pay for (possibly with their lives) and if you're rich no one can call you on that, especially in the press.

I find that a bit .

Jeremmy lol at your name too

Sorry spelling all gone to pot!

The McCanns don't have autonomy over how the press report on the case - the "media blackout" you describe is hardly of their own doing, how can you blame/criticise them for that? (serious question)