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Mum kills two daughters because they ‘got in the way of her sex life’

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GimmeeCaffeine · 02/08/2019 15:33

Such depravity. Those poor little girls Sad

www.itv.com/news/2019-08-02/evil-mother-jailed-for-murdering-daughters-who-got-in-the-way-of-sex-life/

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ashtrayheart · 04/08/2019 23:32

I can't imagine the first death wasn't flagged as suspicious, why was the second child not removed at the time?

Shortstuff99 · 04/08/2019 23:37

First death wasn’t flagged as suspicious for the same reason that half the posters here are vainly trying to come up with any explanation that she killed them both other than she is an evil cunt who did it on purpose. It’s just too much of a stretch to believe a mother would deliberately kill their child.

ashtrayheart · 05/08/2019 00:32

'On 15 January 2018, you claimed that you had found Lexi dead in her bed. An initial post-mortem examination did not identify any obvious cause of death. The results of further tests were outstanding on 1st February 2018 when, 17 days after her sister’s death, you killed Scarlett.'

From sentencing remarks. So the delay in those test results were a massive contributing factor then!

ashtrayheart · 05/08/2019 00:38

But no one is to blame more than the woman herself, of course.

Isatis · 05/08/2019 02:08

I fully agree that this woman needs to go to prison for a very long time indeed and, even when she does qualify for parole, I hope the Parole Board will think long and hard about whether she is really guaranteed not to be a risk to any child.

However, I don't agree that capital punishment would have been merited in this case or any other: it would bring us down to the murderer's level. I also wish people would stop condoning violent action by other prisoners: as soon as we say, in effect, that prison warders should allow that to happen, we are leaving all sorts of vulnerable people open to horrific abuse.

RubbingHimSourly · 05/08/2019 02:20

Only on planet Mumsnet are people thick.enough to believe that women don't withold contact for no reason other than the fact they can. The ball regarding children is always in the.womans court. And now these children and many.others have paid the price of that.

My heart aches for the dad, he had reported his concerns. She no doubt claimed allsorts and look at where it got them. I hope those poor little souls haunt that bitches dreams for the rest of her life.

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Wishihad · 05/08/2019 06:06

@Shortstuff99 because she murders children. Would you want a woman who murders children in with your child. Would you leave a baby with her.

She wont ever have an active part in that childs life. So no point being in a mother and baby unit.

ooooohbetty · 05/08/2019 06:15

I've never felt rage or hatred like I felt when I read the story and saw the photos of them. I can't stop thinking about them. I hope she is miserable every day for the rest of her life. She is evil.

soapona · 05/08/2019 12:05

Court papers are interesting though she must have been staying in some kid if council hotel. Possibly taped her daughters mouth then left her and went to another hotel room were a guy Jordan stayed was there 50 minutes then off to get her daughter who she was blaming dying on a deadly flu.

soapona · 05/08/2019 12:05

Court papers are interesting though she must have been staying in some kid if council hotel. Possibly taped her daughters mouth then left her and went to another hotel room were a guy Jordan stayed was there 50 minutes then off to get her daughter who she was blaming dying on a deadly flu.

GettickledGETTICKLEDbyspiders · 05/08/2019 13:14

So was it manslaughter? I read she’s being charged with murder?

Wishihad · 05/08/2019 13:49

She has already been found guilty of murder.

feelingverylazytoday · 05/08/2019 20:01

Not surprised she's pregnant. This case reminds me very strongly of the Diane Downs case. She kept knocking them out with ease as well, then disposing of them like garbage when they became inconvenient.
Poor children. Hopefully the unborn child will be raised in a loving family, that's all we can hope for now.

Nicknacky · 06/08/2019 13:09

What kind of man has sex with a woman and gets her pregnant when she is awaiting trial for murdering her two children?

TooMuch87 · 06/08/2019 15:26

What kind of woman, having recently murdered her two babies in cold blood, would have unprotected sex with a man and get herself pregnant?

She was charged at the end of January this year, so the man might have been completely unaware of the accusations against her.

Nicknacky · 06/08/2019 15:37

To be fair, my expectations of her are so low that I’m really not surprised she was pregnant again.

But any man worth his salt would know enough about the potential mother of his child to know she was accused of killing two of her children. Call me old fashioned!

soapona · 06/08/2019 16:14

Yes it came out in the preliminary hearings about her being pregnant. Besides I think the kind of men she was associating with wouldn't necessarily care.

BobbolinaTheBitchyBrat · 06/08/2019 22:32

I've only just heard of this case and I honestly couldn't believe what I was reading.

Mental health my arse. This isn't some poor bloody woman who has lost the plot due to the onset of puerpal psychosis or something, the level of premeditation is shocking. And just when you think it can't be any worse, she's pregnant again. Why??? I hope that baby is taken from her the second it is born. That video of the two girls is heartbreaking, especially the youngest, with her little learning to walk waddle. My DC were all baldy waddlers at that age too. I can't stop thinking of how confused that baby must have felt for those seventeen days, her big sister gone- and even a child of three can be incredibly protective and caring over younger siblings, when living in this sort of neglectful home- trapped with her mother, alone, before being murdered too.

This woman is a fucking horror, a genuinely awful, cruel, nasty person. No diagnosis necessary. They're few and far between, but they do exist and she is one of them.

AllTheWhoresOfMalta · 07/08/2019 10:16

This is outing, but sod it.

Not that she ever murdered anyone- as far as we know!- but my paternal grandmother was a cold, evil mother. Had three kids through different fathers (all with seemingly total random surnames, which is what immediately made the hairs on the back of my neck at this story) and didn’t give a shit about any of them.

My Dad was the eldest and was found by neighbours aged around 9 months old, half-starved and tied to a pole. He had impetigo that was eating him alive and his mother was nowhere to be found. He was taken to a Banados home and lived with an older couple. Eventually words got around and he was taken in by his Nana, who tried to help her daughter be an active part of his life but she wasn’t interested- she was young and she was out all the time. Maybe it did start out as postnatal psychosis but it went on for the rest of her life.

His brother and sister fared little better- both born quickly after my father and after each other and similarly mistreated and eventually taken away by the authorities- for what they were worth, this was very early days of the welfare state. She didn’t have any more kids that we know of, I’m not sure what stopped her. Maybe even she realised she wasn’t much of a mother.

She went missing for a while and everyone hoped she’d stay lost but she had actually married a Scottish man and moved up there. When that broke up- thankfully childless- she tracked my Dad down and reported him to the police for handling stolen goods (definitely not true, he worked for the council and wasn’t involved in anything shady. He was 19 and living in a house share so it was all a bit humiliating) which ended up with his house being searched. She pulled stuff like this every so often for years- until he was married to my Mum, because it was her that stopped it by helping my Dad get legal advice. Same with his siblings- false accusations, she stabbed her daughter with a kitchen knife when she was a little girl and then when she tracked her down after she cane back from Scotland and my aunt was a teenager she pulled the same stunt and stabbed her again saying she hadn’t made a good enough job of it the first time. Let’s put it this way, if you told me she had a fourth child who she had killed, I would have no problems believing you.

She died when I was in my early 30s and the whole family felt like a weight had been lifted. Even in her later years she could be unpredictable (tried to kick the coffin off the stand at her mothers funeral, for example) although she had been a long term inpatient in a psychiatric facility in the 70s and 80s which had mellowed her a bit. Never had a diagnosis- she wasn’t bipolar or schitzophrenic or any of the diagnosis people always ponder on. She claimed to her last not to love her children and that they “ruined her potential”.

Difference there of course is that the mother who’s been convicted here lived in a far different era where preventing pregnancy is easy and help easier to access. In my grandmothers defence - and you won’t hear me say that too often- she was quite mad and really bad at a time when it was harder to get help and contraception was less freely available (although she worked it out in the end). What I can’t unferstand with this woman is how she slipped through the net.

NoCauseRebel · 07/08/2019 10:38

You see these are the types of women who I believe should be sterilised. Fortunately this one is in prison and will hopefully rot there for the rest of her life or at least until her childbearing days are over. And presumably this baby will be removed at birth and her stripped of any parental rights.

But all too often we bleat on about a woman’s right to have children one after the other after the other, and it’s ok, the state will just step in and remove them one after the other after the other. When actually what should happen is that the woman should be sterilised to prevent her from having more children.

And I don’t care that it would be forcing a woman to have surgery. That’s a one off procedure, whereas countless acts of child abuse and even murder are not things which can be undone.

M0RVEN · 07/08/2019 10:47

Yes, the baby will be removed at birth and placed either with a family member or for adoption.

Even if the child is placed for adoption, they will have to be told the circumstances around their adoption and that’s a terrible thing for a child to have to deal with for the rest of their life. Also pretty hard for the child’s new family.

When you do things as bad as this, the repercussions are enormous and go on for generations, as @AllTheWhoresOfMalta’s story shows.

OpheliaTodd · 07/08/2019 13:40

I absolutely agree that there are cases where sterilisation should be forced.

beanaseireann · 07/08/2019 14:17

NoCauseRebel
There is an American lady who set up a charity which offers contraceptives / sterilisation to female drug addicts in exchange for money.

ToEarlyForDecorations · 07/08/2019 14:27

What kind of woman, having recently murdered her two babies in cold blood, would have unprotected sex with a man and get herself pregnant?

Unfortunately, there are lots of that will. She wasn't the first and won't be the last female murderer of child/ren that appear in the witness box pregnant.

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