Mum kills two daughters because they ‘got in the way of her sex life’

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Such depravity. Those poor little girls

www.itv.com/news/2019-08-02/evil-mother-jailed-for-murdering-daughters-who-got-in-the-way-of-sex-life/

If there was any a reason for rope

Unfortunate FB profile pic...

Ok, just read the judge's take on it. LP wasn't caught for the first murder because the postmortem didn't find any specific cause of death - so she 'carried on as normal' with the other baby who died a fortnight later.

Rather unnervingly, it seems the first murder would have passed uncommented upon - she was only arrested after the second one.

I've just looked at her facebook and wish I hadn't. She actually posted an RIP message last November.

mommy's angels taken from me too soon.
you will never be forgotten ❤️🔒
R.I.P. 💕😇

Poor little girl and the photos and video/cctv of last moments are heartbreaking. How she killed one then the other one few weeks later or whenever it was.
Just so callous and cold

Generally, society tries to separate people who do terrible things into categories (sad, bad or mad). It's deeply uncomfortable to accept that people can do such awful things just because they are 'bad' (especially women, where we have been conditioned to think of women as caring and loving) so we swing to them being 'mad' (some sort of psychosis which means that they can't be responsible for their actions and would never have ordinarily behaved this way) or 'sad' (so depressed that they couldn't see another way forward).

We may never know the truth, but professionals will have assessed the mental state of the mother to contribute to the trial and sentencing process.

I think SS are unlikely to have been able to act because the previous 'illness' of the first child who died would have seemed to be a precursor to her death, so until the postmortem showed compressive injuries, there was no suspicion. It's hindsight that gives clarity, sadly

Apparently the court bust a gut to see if she had a mental disorder - ie autism - but she is perfectly sane. Judge called her 'immature'.

You can say that again.

It reminds me of the Casey Anthony case in America (except Anthony was never convicted).

I can't understand why she didn't just let the girls' father take them. It clearly wasn't a case of her being afraid that he would harm them, because she didn't give a fuck about them - she even laughed as she FaceTimed a man at the funeral parlour! Surely it would have been easier for her just to send them to live with him? That way she wouldn't have to risk prison.

Generally, society tries to separate people who do terrible things into categories (sad, bad or mad). It's deeply uncomfortable to accept that people can do such awful things just because they are 'bad' (especially women, where we have been conditioned to think of women as caring and loving) so we swing to them being 'mad' (some sort of psychosis which means that they can't be responsible for their actions and would never have ordinarily behaved this way) or 'sad' (so depressed that they couldn't see another way forward).

I agree with this. I think people are too quick to assume that people who commit horrendous crimes must be mentally ill. Some people just do not care about anyone but themselves.

I wasn't trying to excuse her by saying she was a psychopath. Far from it.

I’ve no doubt she was assessed for any kind of mental health issue in the lead up to her trial but she doesn’t seem to have any mental illness/condition. She is simply evil and selfish.

As for why was she able to keep the youngest girl after the eldest had died, I’m not sure if social care would have been able to do anything if the first death wasn’t immediately confirmed as murder. Or maybe they dropped the ball but can you predict someone would do that to their children if they outwardly appeared to be a totally normal parent?

I don’t think it’s fair to blame the little girls’ father. Whatever his involvement in their lives finding out both his daughters have been murdered by their mother weeks apart must have been devastating and shocking for him.

I do however think it’s fair to assume that as this woman murdered her girls instead of trying to leave them with their dad or with family so she could go about living her frankly grim lifestyle, she must have got some kind of thrill/kick/enjoyment out of ending their lives the way she did. And that is chilling.

I suspect she must be a psychopath. No empathy and narcissistic. Solely focussed on their needs they will do what ever they need to do to fulfil heir needs with no care, understanding or consideration of others. It was probably easier to kill the children who were getting in her way than explore other options.

Psychopath surely. Death sentence seems fitting for these cases of child killers but would be less suffering for her than prison where every other prisoner will have her to look down on

@lattelove it was question, not a suggestion. I.e. from her point of view. TBH it was more rhetorical - could that be possible? She didn't seem to care much about them.

Maybe it was a munchausen type thing? I dunno. Maybe she liked the attention if having a sick child, and it progressed.
If it was pure cant be arsedness why not let the father take them, or SS or something.
From the coldest most reptilian part if my brain, it's not logical to kill your children, when it's less dangerous to yourself to give them up.

Poor little kids. It's always sad when a child dies, but never to have known live in your short little life.
I hope theres a God and he holds them now.

Absolute Horror, heat breaking, if she did not want them she should of handed them over to the Dad, Family, Grandparents, Social services, WHY end their lives.

That is absolutely horrific. Those poor little girls.

You’ll probably have to wait for a serious case review to be done before any of these details will become public.

Well, it's possible that this was an individual with the type of severe personality disorder that makes it possible to kill children for being 'inconvenient'. Women are just as capable of extreme selfishness and cruelty as men. But I wouldn't be entirely surprised if more information doesn't come out at some point (it's very rare for anyone to commit an act like this if they haven't suffered sustained mistreatment themselves, usually in childhood.)
So you might all want to calm down with the rage-wanking and grief-tourism. It's not terribly healthy.

And did you see the article trying to sell her kids clothes for £20 days after their death. It's completely bizarre I can't get my head round how you can look after a child until 3 and do something like this. There must be more to it. Perhaps other people were looking after the kids during this time. It doesn't seemed like she bonded. Why did she have 2 kids?

Oh do get off your high horse, SGB, it's quite normal to respond extremely negatively to multiple child murder by a parent.
Theres such a thing as being too anti mundane, you know!

In some articles it suggests she’d been leaving the kids in the care of her landlady more frequently as time went on, and the landlady has said she’d do anything not to have the kids with her.

There’s also a reference to her texting her sister saying she was going to drug the girls so they’d sleep and she could go out and “fuck lads”.

Vile. Why have them in the first place? She could have used contraception or had terminations and lived whatever life she wanted.

Did her sister or the landlady raise concerns with SS?

It is truly awful. Incomprehensible.

But no reason to offload into the reassuring mental illness trope. People who are mentally ill aren’t evil, and it doesn’t make them less human or less capable of being good parents.

To suggest its an automatic necessity is hugely stigmatizing to those already battling social barriers to do with being mentally ill (vs physically ill).

Evilness and badness are what makes someone evil or bad, as it were (terrible sentence construction I’m sorry!).

Some people are just very unpleasant... and worse, a lot worse.

@ReanimatedSGB

To be clear though personality disorders don't actually get categorised as mental 'illness' and do not make those with them less culpable for their actions.

Most serial killers and serial rapists have some form of combination of narcissistic personality disorder and anti-social personality disorder and have usually suffered some kind of neglect or abuse as children.

Are you suggesting that we should stop finding serial killers and rapists abhorrent?