Mum kills two daughters because they ‘got in the way of her sex life’

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Such depravity. Those poor little girls

www.itv.com/news/2019-08-02/evil-mother-jailed-for-murdering-daughters-who-got-in-the-way-of-sex-life/

The grandmother of the poor children overheard her daughter the mother saying that "2nd child will be next" in the funeral parlour after the 1st child died.
The grandmother is blaming SS for not helping but surely she could have done something? My parents would whip my kids off me in a flash if they had heard me say something like that.
Poor children. Glad the DM are now calling her a prostitute and not a 'model' like they were last week.

Did the grandma not report this? If not she failed those babies like everyone else

If I heard a mother saying their second child was going to die, I’d assume they were worried this was going to happen.
You surely wouldn’t assume they were going to kill them?

Despicable piece of rubbish, she posted RIP to her girls on FB and said they had been taken too soon. Her own mother said she knew of the threat to the youngest daughter - what was done about it?

I'm also lacking in sympathy for their father. He never even met the younger. That means he either didn't want to, or he was so problematic himself he was denied any access rights. Either way he's got no right to play up his grief for public sympathy now, the cunt. know him do you? Know that he wasn’t interested rather than the mother, who is a murdering bitch, withheld contact from him? No didn’t think so.

It’s entirely likely that the mother withheld access, in fact it states that she gave her youngest child her then latest shag’s name...

Can we not have a thread on Mumsnet which automatically puts the fault of the woman on to the man?

Would it be ok to go on to a thread about a man killing his children and ask what the mother did about it? Why the woman didn’t do something? To call her a cunt? No didn’t think so. So why does it make it ok to blame the father just because he’s a man?

she killed them. she made that decision. she is an evil bitch who deserves no sympathy.

I actually feel terribly for the father. Looks like she made it her business to keep them away from him. She’s clearly a psychopath and if he had told SS he was worried and then she moved and gave the younger girl a different surname it’s clear she was calculatedly making decisions to keep them away from him.

All of those posters asking "Where was the father?" should be fucking ashamed of themselves.

Maybe the evil murdering bitch of a mother prevented contact.

As others have said, no one ever asks "where was the mother?" When the sexes are reversed.

That's what I thought, @LizzieSiddal. Unless the grandmother already suspected her daughter had killed Lexi, she would have taken the comment as paranoia, not as a threat.

@feelingverylazytoday it is predictable.

Woman is evil enough to kill both her kids weeks apart and not really give shit. But posters dont believe its possible that actually she is the reason the father didnt see the kids.

She clearly believe those kids had a use, for a bit. Then they didnt. So she killed them. She saw them as her to what she wished with. But yes, on mn, its definitely his fault he didnt see them.

Its fucking shameful when some mners behave like this.

Those two little girls were totally failed by their mother.
But others could have stepped in surely ?
People who knew her must have had some inkling.
I dread to think what their lives were like.
Were they injured prior to the ultimate injuries?
Were they fed and clothed properly ?
Were they ever given a cuddle ?
When you think of the wonderful life they could have had if they had bern adopted by a couple longing for a child.

she killed them. she made that decision. she is an evil bitch who deserves no sympathy.

Totally agree. She is absolutely to blame and nobody should be excusing her.

But I think the dad situation is odd. Even if she was withholding contact, why wasn't he fighting for it? No father who wants to see his kids and isn't a danger to them would literally never have met one of them.

It seems to me that he hasn't bothered with them for their whole lives, and now wants to exploit this awful situation for public sympathy.

It's those poor, poor children I feel for - not their parents, one of whom is a truly evil murderer, and one of whom so totally failed them.

People who knew her must have had some inkling.

The father did report to and SS and SS were involved.

It seems to me that he hasn't bothered with them for their whole lives, and now wants to exploit this awful situation for public sympathy.

As pp said, he appears to have been trying to get access. The youngest one didnt have his name, but the name of another man. Its likely he didnr have PR or she was denying the youngest was his.

It's not actually that difficult to block access for 18 months. Especially, if you are denying the child is the fathers and keep moving. Which she also appears to have done.

I agree with pp, assuming the father didnt do enough when the mother is that evil that she would murder her children, rather than assuming she is the reason for loss of contact, is very odd behaviour and appears to people trying to shift blame for the murderer because she is a woman.

It seems to me that he hasn't bothered with them for their whole lives, and now wants to exploit this awful situation for public sympathy.

Agree

Who’s trying to shift blame for the murderer? It’s clearly her responsibility. But let’s face it absent fathers are a thing and it’s not a leap to assume he just couldn’t be arsed and it’s a bit rich for him to play the doting dad now.

So much on this thread is wrong! This murderer is evil, so why do people insist she must have mental health problems. All that achieves is stigmatises those with actual mental health problems.

As for the father, how can you know he didn’t want to be part of his daughters’ lives? My brother in law has just had to fight a year long battle in family court for access to his daughter, before that his ex kept her away and he doesn’t know where she lives 5 1/2 days a week because the ex is such a manipulative cow that she has moved without telling him and tells the court she fears for her life. Every time she is told to tell my brother in law the address she moves again. She is a bitch keeping important details from a father. Why do people find it so hard to believe that women can be manipulative, self centred and evil?

and it’s not a leap to assume he just couldn’t be arsed

Utter bollocks.

It seems to me that he hasn't bothered with them for their whole lives

Do you know him then?

But let’s face it absent fathers are a thing and it’s not a leap to assume he just couldn’t be arsed and it’s a bit rich for him to play the doting dad now.

And weirdly, dads who do give a shit are a thing too. Have you tried taking someone to court who keeps moving?

It's not a leap to assume she is an evil bitch that thought she could do what she wanted with those children.

You know, like pass them off as someone elses, oh and murder them.

I read the court reports online. She's pregnant due late summer.

Oh and her father was reprimanded by the judge for taking a photo of his daughter in the dock. That's utterly disrespectful.

She's pregnant??? Surely this child will be taken into care the minute it's born.

@LuckyLou7 I would have thought so. You couldnt have her in a mother and baby unit and she will be away so long she wont ever have the chance to parent the child in the outside. No need for a child to be in danger so she can bond.

Disgusting that she was having another baby whilst so fed up of the ones she had.

Sadly she probably would have killed the new baby too wouldn’t she?

I can only imagine what stories like this are like to read by those who desperately want but can’t have their own kids who would have readily adopted the 2 girls in the story.

You couldnt have her in a mother and baby unit

Is that because of the threat of harm to her or that she presents to her baby or both or something else? Is she really likely to be attacked in the unit?