MSBP: Lost Mothers 2nd thread

[GillW]

New thread beacuse Bunglie needs the existing ones to be temporarily archived (and the last one was getting so-o-o-o-o long...)

Thanks Dino, it is the last 3 paragraphs that I do not really undrstand?

Hi, BunglieZ!

I don't think I understand it properly either, but the meaning I am getting from it is that the parents and the children have different reasons for wanting to sue, they can't both sue (though I don't understand why not) and that the childrens' reasons have to take priority over the parents', so the parents can't.

But that's probably completely wrong! (Just thought I'd say hi too like beety! ) Pass the gin!

(Pls send me a pic of you in your Virtual Mother gear???)

Right Bunglie - shall have a go at explaining this.

Basically sometimes there are two stages to civil cases if the reason that someone is suing is quite new/ground breaking, and not an established reason to sue. I.e. if you rear end my car, it is pretty well established that I could sue for that reason - there have been loads of cases in the last fifty or so years. But in these cases where somebody is suing the NHS/Social services for distress caused in investigating unsubstantiated allegations of abuse, this is not an established reason for suing i.e. people haven't successfully been able to do this before, and it is a new "cause of action". Because it is a new type of case, the first hurdle that the parents have had is to convince the court that they can, in principle, sue for the misconduct of the medics/social services. This is regardless of the merits of the case at this stage, and is just looking at whether in principle you can sue for medics/social services investigating wrong allegations of mistreatment of children.

When judges make decisions of this type, they can take into account the public good - i.e. public policy issues - and have to take competing interests into account. Judging by the Guardian article quote, the judge felt that although the parents had an interest in not being suject to a heavy handed investigation, the interest of the children should be given greater priority - i.e. that once an allegation of abuse had been made, even though the allegation may be unfair/unjustified, it was more important to protect the welfare of the children by carrying out a thorough investigation than to protect the feelings of the parents. I'll have to have a look at the case itself when I get the time to see if I can add anything else of interest!

Wilko Janh, photogenic Bunglie at the ready as ever!!!!!!
Will take me a little while to find digital camera, but I shall oblige - promise.

All others who want photo's a fee of $100 Dollars per print, money to go to stop the 'DUDS' fund

Thanks all for the explanations. I am wadeing through them. I think I am getting there but need a bit of time to inwardly digest. Thanks for the explanations though as I was a bit stumped!

OKAY -Beety, but I am sorry that has to be the last freeby!!!!!

OK Janh and Beety, piccy's on their way, in fact sent, if you have any problems let me know? I hope you like the fur coat and dark glasses, I was a super model in my former life!

Hi Bunglie (and hi to Postsue, too, good to see you back).
Blimey, I'm offline for ten days and it all happens! So glad you had fantastic day with your ds and dd. Really heart-warming. Sounds like you are getting some very good advice about dealing with bl**dy solicitors and social services; injuction sounds like a particularly good idea. Did you say you had new solicitors? Can you just instruct them to go ahead and seek an injunction, or do you need information from the 'old' solicitors first?
I need to update you on my MP's reply... promise I will when I get a chance.

Aaaahhhhh! I hate the establishment can I please be an,.......
antidisestablishmentarian?
I will feel better after a LARGE whiskey Mac!!!!!

Oh Hello Eddm, I hope you had a nice break. You do realise that chaos now reigns because you have not been here to keep us all in check!!!

An update on the slightly confusing Guardian story from this morning - a mother, who cannot be named for legal reasons, has won permission to appeal in the House of Lords (in the Autimn sometime) for the right to sue Professor Southall for damages after he accused her of child abuse - details here .

Have not had time to read link yet but thanks GillW. That at least sounds positive. more in the morning.

Sofia - Your quiet? Has your 'cyber' bug come back and your head in a bucket again? Hope all is well and you are not poorly

Postsue, drop us an update as to how you are doing, it is nice to know even if it is just to moan about teenagers hogging the computer!

Beety- My Bill for the photos is in the post Still have not got my adult babygro sob sob!

Night all need an early night in my nighty

Did you not win your auction then Bunglie? Another adult sized eeyore babygro here .

Morning all,
I have a bit of work to do, then I shall be back., those Americans,Aaaaah! Yes Gill W one of them bought MY babygro, I am starting to think that I am going to have to get one off countess Dracula's 'fetish' site. Anyone want the link (just in case you need a new maids outfit, adult size nappies, even a chart showing you how to fold them! or bibs and plastic panties, all for adults, lots more, good for a giggle!!!)

Janh photos sent!

Sofia, should you and I know you will want a set of 'these photos!( hee hee) I will expect an open cheque made payable to yours truelly for the small some of $100. Now isn't that an offer you can't refuse?
Beety I am certain will testify to the quality of the photos, awful!!!

I hope my fur does not look too ruffled or you notice I am dribbling my tea, hence the apron.
You MUST have decor worse than mine if you have put them on your wall
Got a date, with a bear of course, will email?

GillW Is this what they call a 'test case'. Because if it is, I hate to say it, but the Judges don't seem to like this 'topic' and I think they will realise that the flood gates will open with regard to Southall.
I wonder why the GMC heard Southall's case before Meadow's, as Meadow's I thought was exposed first, am I wrong???
In anycase I shall be very interested to know what happens, do we know when it comes to court yet?

Sofia, I have not YET got the cheque for $100 dollars, but I know you are good for it or I will send the heavy mob around, (Aloha).
Email and piccies are on their way.

Sofia - hope all is OK I shall try tomorrow evening.