Farage speaks at Trump rally

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This:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37177938

I hadn't actually thought that Nigel Farage could go lower in my estimation. But have to admit I was wrong...

The electorate giveth and the electorate taketh away. ..

The electorate can also make fun.

Always makes me laugh when people use the word 'fascist' to describe someone they'd love to ban.
( do people on here actually know what fascism means? 😂 )

Yep surfer - do you? Why would I want to ban Nige? He's giving me all my style tips for the dressing of DH - and it's an ongoing project.

But I am trying to make sure he doesn't copy the spittle and mouth frothing- that Farage and Trump partake in. Not attractive. Not attractive at all. Style fail Nige!

Who is saying they want to ban Farage? So far as I'm aware the general consensus is that he's an idiot and an arsehole and it's a massive embarrassment if anyone thinks he represents Britain, but no-one is saying he should be banned. My view is that we would be utterly stupid to do so because he would absolutely love it and it would give him wholly unmerited credibility.

Oh and surfer - just soo you are aware of the dictionary term of facist - sigh - this is what yer man wants. So yup makes him such. I would do laughing signs but am too busy shaving DH's moostache

'an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization'

Some people really shouldn't throw stones...

Nobody needs to ban Farage. He's quite good at jumping ship.

Simple Definition of fascism

A way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government

Farage gave the people a referendum so we could agree - or disagree - with our government.

If you're going to throw the word fascist around, use it correctly.

Who's tried to ban you, surferjet?

Yes, simple...

Fascism is way more than dictatorship.
It's about nationalism. Ahem.
And an economic go between right and centre. Ahem.
It's populist, using propaganda and misinformation to get voters. Ahem.

You're only right in that he doesn't want to rule. He just wants to spread shit and let it spoil the country. He lacks the backbone to actually stay and sort the messes he started.
Still, great at playing the victim. Ahem.

Sufer - nope. He didn't give 'us' a referendum. He is an MEP. He has no technical power apart from to inform our fashion and satorial elegance - and be a shit stirrer. Please understand how fascists get to power - errrmmm through elections. Then guess what - they take elections away

I think- ahem - it is you that doesn't really understand fascists, the rise of fascism and how democracies are taken over by the. It is possible to be a fascists and believe in fascism BUT live in a democracy.

Anyway too busy to give you a lesson in politics - gotta find that black shirt....now where is it?

Reap that's quite a jump from me saying he shouldn't be given so much press attention to state censorship

He is the villian that many love to hate and he lapped up that role. He has been a clever manipulator of the press. He will use right wing retoric then change tactic to appear at one with people's concerns. It's often been questioned why he gets so much press and why do the press play into his hands and all to make politics a little more entertaining

He was the leader of the third largest party no one can deny his importance to politics in the last 10 years but his popularity has been greaty increased by how much publicity he received (his appearances on question time when he was less significant were not needed but it made it livened it up) he will still court publicity do other MEP's?

Farage pushed for the referendum option because that's what's available within our system and therefore the most practical way of achieving what he wants, not because he loves democracy.

Anyway too busy to give you a lesson in politics

Thank God for that, because I wouldn't learn much.

You haven't said who wants to ban Farage, surfer?

Oh and just to add (I just found the black shirt!)

As with being a fascist it is also possible to be a communist and live in a democracy. These are labels accorded to people's political beliefs. Both have connotations due to the historic and current operations of both types of political ideology and how they have been applied.

You can't say someone isn't a fascist when their beliefs clearly show they are just because you see the word as an insult

Who's tried to ban you, surferjet?

I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about people who'd love Nigel Farage to disappear, ( this thread is about him not me ) someone actually said on here that they were sorry he didn't die in that plane crash he had - so yeah, plenty of people would love to silence him.

Disappear - not the same as banned is it? Actually in a authoritarian state - fascist, communist, military junta - it very often is hhhmmmm

Let's be thankful we have a democracy atm where we can air our views - MN would be one of the first to be shut down in an authoritarian state. Just sayin.

Anyho - back to Nige. Love this article by Marina Hyde. But how dare she say Niges suits are cheap - the check of it!

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/26/nigel-farage-brexit-hero-donald-trump

cheek - not check!

Sufer you are very right - closed minds never learn - but they are fantastic a rallies!

"stop giving him so much publicity he thrives off this attention" do you think our press should be involved in state censorship then?

There is a fascination in the media for far right politics, resulting in them getting more publicity. The recent election in Austria was reported as the far right narrowly loosing, not the name of the party who actually won i couldn't even tell you who that was

Showmethewaytogohome

You may wish to read up on left wing fascism, ( plenty of it out there ) might broaden your political knowledge.

Sufer - you are funny!

In its essence as I have described fascism is a right wing ideology - as most do

If you mean 'left wing facism' as authoritarianism that uses communism or even socialism as it's basis - yes that can be a form of AUTHORITARIANISM which also runs through fascism. Most political commentators would look to communism or socialism as the key factors few would describe left wing 'fascism' as such as their basis usually stems from as I have said communism or socialism. Some do I admit but most do not. So if you wished to use your terminology you could describe N Korea as a fascist sate. I would call it an authoritarian communist or totalitarian state or even possibly despotic but I guess that could be semantics

Anyway as I said using the word fascist is a descriptor for Farage is that a description of his ideological views- it is only an insult if you see it as such. HTH

Interested to hear your response and whether you believe it is authoritarianism that is the key issue of the doctrines of the different ideological stances

Or have I misread and you are saying Farage is a Left wing fascist? Happy to concur if that helps - although I would still say he was a right wing fascist tbh

I don't think he's a fascist at all. The fascists are the ones who want to shut down debate, silence any political discussion they don't like, complain to the media that UKIP are getting too much air time, ( the list goes on but you get the picture ) & in every single case, these fascists are left wingers.