Farage speaks at Trump rally

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This:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37177938

I hadn't actually thought that Nigel Farage could go lower in my estimation. But have to admit I was wrong...

has said he will be back if Brexit is thwarted.

That's hardly the same as contributing to a successful Brexit.

Pressed post too soon

Many people may want to fight the establishment but what do they mean by that

What they want is life to be better for them

The people that fear Corbyn or rather his popularity the most are the many labour voters that don't support him. He will not be PM he is not threat the the Tories or the so called magic circle that is so secretive even he won't expand on

And why did he vote to remain if he is so anti establishment not that many people believe he did

I agree in relation to Obama. :)

'That's hardly the same as contributing to a successful Brexit.'

He can't contribute, the Establishment won't allow him to. They treat him and the 4 million UKIP votrs as scum. They disparage Farage at every opportunity, they want nothing to do with him because they fear that if they give him any legitimacy that his party will thrash them in the next general election. That is why they treat him as an outsider and why he can't join the Establishment and play a part for the 4 million voters who voted for his policies. That is why he is anti-establishment. But just as he beat them in Brexit, one day he will beat them in a general election.

A Trump victory will cause an earthquake across the world and then the entire Establishment and its Oxbridge teams will be discredited.

'And why did he vote to remain if he is so anti establishment '

I agree, which is why I said that Corbyn is nowhere near as anti-establishment as Trump or Farage. Corbyn is anti-establishment in many areas (but not Brexit or the Establishment's story over climate change), just like Bernie, but when it comes down to the real test only Trump is really anti-establishment and to a lesser degree Farage, and that is why the Establishment fears Trump far more than they do Bernie or Corbyn.

Lweji

What do you want Farage to do? given that he's not in government ( or wasn't even part of the official leave team )

How to you want someone, who has no say over government policy, to deliver Brexit?

What is the establishment to you claig?

What is the establishment to you claig?'

It is the rich elite who control the narrative, the ideas, the media narrative and the Overton window of policy. It is the agreed consensus of a clique of out of touch insiders who rule over millions and millions of ordinary people by soin, money, media influence and lobbyists.

Corbyn put it well, which is why they don't like him.

"The principle of democracy has to be ground up.

It is about breaking open this magical circle of Westminster, some of our great universities, Whitehall and the boardrooms who try to control thinking, control ideas and control the way policy is developed.

– Jeremy Corbyn"

'Many people may want to fight the establishment but what do they mean by that '

What people like Trump and Farage mean, and what their supporters want, and also what COrbyn and the Corbynistas want (even though they agree with the establishment on manmade climate change and Brexit) is to overturn the Establishment's policies, because they are useless and have caused austerity and a loss of jobs and zero-hour contracts and low wages and a lack of democracy and no ne listening to the people and a Euro disaster zone with huge levels of unemployment and stagnation and a world where we are lectured by twats from Eton pursuing useless policies that don't meet the needs of ordinary people.

That is why we have a populist rebellion across the world, becausse the Establishment are useless. That is why we beat them over Brexit and that is why Trump will beat them and changeh the entire world as they are all discredited.

So many of those that have spent years working on research, reading studies, have in depth knowledge in particular areas in other words might be described as experts

I don't think people are that stupid of course they know the media manipulates and that money can buy power and influence (Trump wouldn't be anywhere without his money)

playing into that is also the spin of fighting against something that is all bad and only works for a few, good against evil

And what can we call it the establishment. It's political spin the use of the word

'Trump wouldn't be anywhere without his money'

Absolutely. Trump says it himself. He says that without him self-funding, without his wealth, the Establishment would have "killed" him in the primaries by giving more money (as they did) to his Establishment lackey opponents. It is only because he is a billionaire that he is capable of taking them on. Farage can't take them on because he needs money, but Trump has the money and is taking it to them all the way and that is why they are so scared of him, because of his money which means they can't buy him and can't own him.

Finally the people have a champion who can't be bullied and can't be bought because he is a billioanire. We have got a billionaire on our side, so they can stick that in their pipe and smoke it. We are going to beat them.

Are you in the states

I guess where you are the mood is different

'Are you in the states'

No, I am English, in the UK. But the anti-establishment mood is exactly the same here and all over Europe. Don't forget that the anti-establishment populist revolutions started in Europe and in the UK with UKIP, then spread to Labour with Corbyn etc.

The truly amazing thing that no one ever predicted was that it would spread to America with Trump, because if Trump wins, it is over for the Establishment worldwide, their teams will have been entirely discredited and the people will be liberated from their crap policies and lecturing.

Everyone thought that the coprporate elites had America locked down, they thought only a Wall Street puppet would be allowed to become President, but Trump has turned it on its head and started a revolution that has them panicking.

EnthusiasmDisturbed, you're Labour and anti Corbyn, but you can't have failed to see what a revolution has occurred where a backbench nobody like Corbyn could beat the Oxbridge teams and their Establishment candidates to become Labour leader and where the Labour party signed on more members in one day than the Tory party has in total.

It's a revolution, the Establishment are bricking it, they can't control it, their spin about Corbyn the bully isn't fooling anyone, no one believes their media any more. They are reeling and they have put up their candidate, Owen Smith, to try to overturn Brexit and save the Establishment's bacon. But they are probably going to be defeated again.

The Canary, an excellent left wing website, got more readers than the New Statesman and the Spectator. The people have been liberated, the Establishment mouthpieces in the mainstream media are becoming irrelevant. As time goes on, theu won't be able to control the narrative with their Oxbridge teams any more, the Canary and new publications to follow will beat them and the people will no longer be spun.

We are seeing a worldwide disintegration of the Establishment's stranglehold on the public and Corbyn told them what he will do to their "magic circle".

"The principle of democracy has to be ground up.

It is about breaking open this magical circle of Westminster, some of our great universities, Whitehall and the boardrooms who try to control thinking, control ideas and control the way policy is developed.

– Jeremy Corbyn"

They can't keep the people down forever. We are going to beat them, just as we did over Brexit, and their useless policies and "punishment budgets" will be history.

He just has to continue with the populist policies that thrashed the Establishment Republican candidates like Jeb Bush, and that the people flock to in rallies of tens of thousands

That's what he's been trying to do. It hasn't really clicked with him that rhetoric which appealed to the right wing of the Republican party won't appeal to the electorate as a whole. The fact that he can't work that one out is a measure of the levels of his political intelligence.

Some months ago, he promised that he was imminently going to produce earth-shaking revelations about Hillary Clinton, and we're still waiting. I was fascinated to come up with a news report from four years ago when he promised earth-shaking revelations about Obama, and we're still waiting for those. It seems to be a bit of a theme with him.

Surfer, you seem to have gone quiet on the question of who on this thread has said they want Farage to be banned.

Judy, I expect Trump is keeping his tactics up his sleeve. Assange has said he will be releasing info on Hillary soon. Trump was asked about it last night and said he doesn't know what it is but, knowing Hillary, he expects it to be bad.

Trump is getting advice from different people and some are telling him to soften up and he may be falling for it. Triump fans like it when he takes it to them.

I don't deny the anti establishment cause has certianly swept through politics but I think that is also being caught up with right wing agenda

But again for many what is the establishment it means so many different things to different people but the fight against it is easy to spin when you are not in power

It has taken many by surprise how many people have joined the Labour Party and with the support of momentum it becomes very vocal. That meant nothing in the local elections or in the polls (which of course are not always right).

How long will it last I don't know, people often play it safe when voting do many Americans really beleive Trump can make their lives better that's what it comes down to in the end.

As for Corbyn he will never be PM his own doing, his connections and his actions nothing to do with a conspiracy against him. Very good spin though

J'aime Colbert

"(Trump) was joined on stage by Nigel Farage, one of the master - let's say - "minds". "

See how Trump has lost his mind on migration and is now asking the audience.

Trump is keeping his tactics up his sleeve? After four years????

'but I think that is also being caught up with right wing agenda '

It is both left and right, but the right with Farage is the real opposition to the Establishment (over manmade climate change, the EU, Brexit and all the other Establishment positions). Corbyn has not been strong enough and backed down over Brexit etc. The reason the populist upsurge is occurring is because people have had enough of the Establishment status quo, they want change which is why the Canary got more readers than the Establishment New Statesman.

'what is the establishment it means so many different things to different people'

It essentially means the status quo system which has been defeated by Brexit, with Cameron and Osborne now out. The status quo is being overturned because people have had enough of the spin and lecturing and useless policies.

'How long will it last I don't know'

There is no going back, the genie is out of teh bottle, the people smell freedom from their corrupt spinning elites. Brexit shocked the world and Trump backed it and calls himself "Mr Brexit". It's over for the elites, they have lost control and the BBC can't turn it around for them.

'As for Corbyn he will never be PM his own doing, his connections and his actions nothing to do with a conspiracy against him'

They told us the people would never vote for Brexit, they said Trump was a joke. You can never tell what will happen, but if it is not Corbyn, it will be a Corbynista rather than an Establishment candidate. It's over for the teams.

'Trump is keeping his tactics up his sleeve? After four years????'

He plays a very long game. That's why the Establishment fear him.

Trump is pivoting:

Trump's Immigration Pivot: Can He Have It Both Ways?

www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/08/25/trumps_immigration_pivot_can_he_have_it_both_ways.html

It looks like someone is panicking.

'Trump's Immigration Pivot: Can He Have It Both Ways?'

Trump always pivots, he can contradict himself within the same speech. Trump fans know that, they know he is playing the Establishment for suckers, reeling them in.