Why is everyone in the public crazy about Jesus Corbyn/Corbyn Wan Kenobi?

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I mean, WTF? He has disciples (as one journalist observed).

Ive totally gone off Alec Guiness now as all JC -(even the initials!!!!) needs is a long brown cloak with a hood like a bloody Jedi master.

And hell be walking on water next!

What is it about him that has thousands signing up for Labour membership?

I WAS a Labour member but because of him Ive left .

genuine question, what influence is he having, to make him followed like a deity?

They are Establishment, he isn't.

He is a privately educated, middle class white male who has been sitting in parliament for decades.

You don't have to own a white tie to be 'establishment'.

'The MPs represent millions of constituents, not just the Labour Party.'

So they tell us, but they are only voted in because they are Labour. the Labour Party is bigger than them. Ed Balls was voted out, new people take over. The Labour Party is what counts, not an MP with spin.

'the disagreements don't appear to be about policy, but about JC's lack of ability and desire to communicate with his own MPs '

So they tell us, but Corbyn bent over backwards to give stooges positions in cabinet, even though some of them openly said on TV that they didn't support many of his positions and didn't think he could win an election. He allowed them a free vote over Syria to stop them walking out of teh cabinet he had allowed the into. He tried everything to be accommodating to them in order to get them to work with him for the good of Labour, but nothing is enough for the 172 and they now all say they have no confidence in him.

'He is a privately educated, middle class white male who has been sitting in parliament for decades.'

Absolutely but he doesn't do what the Establishment want him to do. He rebelled against Blair and the Blairites on lots of policies, was against the Iraq War etc. He won't do as he is told, so even the Labour whips leave him alone as they know they can't tell him what to do. He can't be controlled, he doesn't want favours, he is not a "career climber".

'Nobody wants to stand against JC'

Only because they know they will lose. The Establishment are hoping that a Dan Jarvis or Keir Starmer or somebody can one day take charge, but they are kidding themselves because the Establishment and its favourites are out of favour with millions of people. They don't stand a chance.

Self righteous and "principled " with a lot of distasteful Rottweilers around him. Makes great copy for the media.

Andy Burnham has decided to go for being a mayor instead, probably because he understood after he lost to Corbyn that things have really changed and there is no going back to the old Establishment politics. He realises he won't be leader because Corbyn is so popular, so he thinks he can achieve more as mayor.

Why does nobody want to stand against JC. I suspect the obvious answer is that they know they will lose. Why will they lose. Because the majority of the Labour membership will vote for JC. If you cant instill confidence in the the majority of your paid members to vote you as Leader you got no business even instigating a Leadership challenge. If Labour voters are that concerned about JC as Labour leader then they need to commit by joining the Labour party and voting for the Leader they want. except they cant now pahahahaha-.

If there ends up being a battle between the "political operator" Tom Watson and Corbyn, I think Corbyn will win because of the real popular support. All Corbyn's opponents are likely to be losers with the Labour members. If by some chance, the 172 manage to defeat Corbyn, then it will be a Pyrrhic victory because the public will not support the 172.

As with Trump , getting your party to pick you is not the same as getting the country to pick you in a general election.

Nobody is saying it is. But if your not motivated enough to join a political group, you cant then complain that you didnt get the party leader you wanted. You have to accept what those who did have the right to vote for, voted for.

Don't believe the media and the polls on Trump, he is going to win.

Corbyn is not perfect, but with the right left wing policies he could shock the Establishment and win the election. If he sells it right, he can win. As Derek Hatton said on TV, the reason the Establishment, the Daily Mail, the Sun and some of the 172 are so against Corbyn is that he could win and overturn Establishment orthodoxies on lots and lots of issues.

Just spent ages in US . Latest polls have Trump losing heavily.

And Derek Hatton is an unprincipled t**t.

I sincerely hope that Trump doesnt win. But I assume he was the legitimately democratically picked candidate for his party, so it was his right to run. If he fails, well he only has himself to blame. If Corbyn fails, well some of it could be rightly attributed to the piss poor support from within his own party.

'Latest polls have Trump losing heavily.'

Polls are skewed, more Democrats being surveyed. The Establishment needs to create the myth that Trump is sinking because private polling has shocked them. Trump's social media liking swamps Hillary's, as do his rallies. Establishment want to create a self-fulfilling prophecy to save themselves, but they can't.

"App maker: Trump will win election

LOS ANGELES — Despite a majority of opinion polls showing the 2016 presidential election going to Democrat Hillary Clinton, a smartphone app developer says his data suggests challenger Donald Trump will be the victor.

“Based on the stats we see, he looks strong,” says Ric Militi, co-founder of San Diego-based Crazy Raccoons, maker of the Zip question and answer app. His app poses questions and polls responses based on an average of 100,000 daily users. “I go with Trump, based on what we see.”

www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2016/08/13/app-maker---trump-win-election/88640044/

In the UK you don't have to be a member of a political party to vote in a general election and most voters aren't members of political parties. To win an election you need to appeal to floating voters who aren't loyal to any party. As the official opposition the Labour Party has a duty to the electorate as well as party members.

It's obvious that at the moment it's a pretty suicidal move to stand against JC - even a win would be very close run and mean trying to lead a fundamentally divided party. Those who seriously see themselves as a future prime minister would rather wait. That may seem cynical, but atleast they deserve credit for aiming at one day forming a labour government.

The reality is that in practical terms the Tories are taking more responsibility for running the NHS than Jeremy Corbyn ever has, purely by being in government.

'Tony Blair says he wouldn’t want a left-wing Labour party to win an election

The former PM says he wouldn't take the 'route to victory' if it was left-wing'

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tony-blair-says-he-wouldn-t-want-a-left-wing-labour-party-to-win-an-election-10406928.html

That explains the opposition to Corbyn. There are Establishment stooges who do not want a left wing Britain as it would harm the interests of their masters. Corbyn doesn't bow to them, he is bad news for them.

Guessing many posters here were kids in the 80s and don't remember how Millitant screwed the Labour Party. Corbyn may be more polite but is just as unelectable. He just means more Tory Governments for longer.

Pretty difficult to find a more stereotypical capitalist than Derek Hatton. Apparently Militant stopped being profitable.

Well put, Merry.

There was a fascinating interview on RT with a US professor who backed Bernie who said that New Labour was basically a copy of the New Democrats which was a Wall Street tpolicy ype clique with Bill Clinton etc.He said that Blair etc were a cpy of that with similar City friendly policies. Basically they overturned much of what real labour stood for.

Now a huge number of people have had enough of the same old spin and policy and want to try something different - old Labour, real Labour which is why they are raving over an old leader who is as old Labour as it gets. No more spin, just left wing policy that frightens the stooges and their bosses.

Then the centre labour mps need to convince labour members to vote for a centre leader. If they cant do that, then they need to ask themselves why, what are they doing wrong? Not blame JC.

And New Labour, flawed as it was, got into government. Bernie has gone back to being an Independent. And Hillary is the nominee. She's also very flawed but she has the distinct advantage of not being an asshole.

'Then the centre labour mps need to convince labour members to vote for a centre leader. '

Their argument, as Tom Watson,said to some extent, is that the members are good people but many are having their arms twisted by Trot infiltrators. That is all the Estbalishment wing can say, they are out of arguments, Owen Smith was booed in Gateshead at the hustings.

Free, you are assuming that those who back Corbyn (voters and members) would still vote labour under an anti Corbyn leader for Labour to get into Government (because without them, Labour still dont have a hope in hell of getting into government). Why would they still vote Labour? Anti Corbynists on this thread have said themselves that they would not give a Corbyn Labour a vote so why would the reverse not be also true? Is it because it is believed that Labour is the only alternative to the Tories i.e. there is no one else worth voting for and pretty much taking the Labour voters for granted. Have a look up to Scotland to see where that attitude got Labour.