Why is everyone in the public crazy about Jesus Corbyn/Corbyn Wan Kenobi?

[BeckerLleytonNever]

I mean, WTF? He has disciples (as one journalist observed).

Ive totally gone off Alec Guiness now as all JC -(even the initials!!!!) needs is a long brown cloak with a hood like a bloody Jedi master.

And hell be walking on water next!

What is it about him that has thousands signing up for Labour membership?

I WAS a Labour member but because of him Ive left .

genuine question, what influence is he having, to make him followed like a deity?

Mantle, it's not the Labour Party you need to persuade that labour is electable but floating voters like me! At the moment the behaviour of labour puts me off. I have no idea of what they stand for. There is a real disconnect in idealogy between Corbyn and many labour MPs.

The MPs "are out of tune with Labour members, and I believe the people as a whole".

Why don't these Labour members see that their views are not necessarily representative of "the people"?

Or why do they ignore the fact that labour have only won when they were more to the centre

Really? How about ignoring the fact that a Labour government has only ever gotten into power on a 70%+ voter turnout. So pursuing a manifesto that ignores the disaffected/disenfranchised is being on a hiding to nothing.

Labour has gotten into power whilst occupying a central position when the centre has been determined by looking at the spectrum of views across the whole electorate. Not the centre of the spectrum of the views of the voters who do well enough out of the system to not be totally disillusioned with politics. Note the distinction between electorate and voters.

Labour party membership is the only political machinery that has ever effectively galvanised the disenfranchised at a general election.

If the Labour Party habitually ignores the 30-40% of the electorate who are too beaten down and disillusioned to habitually vote, and is either active or complicit in allowing that section of the electorate to grow in proportion, we are on a continuous and inexorable ratchet to the right. The centre ground will fall away under our feet.

Fighting over an ever smaller slice of the pie is going to be less effective than making the pie bigger. Rising tide raises all ships.

It what way did Labours manifesto not speak to those that felt disaffected/disenfranchised

They gave realistic proposals and set out how they would be carried out

It's all very well saying more money shall go to the NHS, will get rid of tuition fees and so on but people are more intelligent than that they know the simple answer of a rise in tax for the rich and business isn't the answer it's far more complex

The largest turnouts for voters we have ended up with a Tory government

"the 30-40% of the electorate who are too beaten down and disillusioned to habitually vote"

How do we know why people don't vote, and what their politics are?

Enthusiasm Well they didn't vote for it, that should give you an inkling about their feelings on it.

Dozer Speaking to people on their doorsteps would provide that information...as do the activists in the membership.

Oh and Enthusiasm looking at Indyref, areas that voted Yes had high turnout c80%. Some No areas had higher than that, 85%+.

So strikes me that the balancing act is to be radical enough to get an extra 10-20% of the electorate out, but not so radical that you hit the buffers/frighten the horses/look like you are going to throw the baby out with the bath water and panic some people into heaving right to avoid that.

The alternative is to have a left party, a centrist party (or two) and a right party. As is currently the case in Spain. But that doesn't seem to be working out too well there, and centrist parties here just get eaten by the extremes.

Well the highest turnout of voters voted for a Tory government so no they didn't vote for a more left approach to politics and the voters we are losing are moving to the right UKIP. That is UKIP's aim to gain more labour Labour voters so not quite sure how being to the left will gain labour more votes

But when they were more to the centre and had a leader people felt confident in they won

In reality we have coalition governments all the time in the UK, but the coalitions are within a party. Power moves between extremes and always has done. The right wing who want power have no choice but to coalition with the centrist Tories, the far left with the centrist Labour.
In the 70's both sides were to the Left, which failed, so the country moved right. The Tories were therefore a right and centre party, Labour a left and centre.
Labour have been taken over by the left, whilst the country has stayed centre.

Why the need to be radical left when the left of centre or the right of politics have always gained higher percentage of votes

And I certianly don't want to be lead by Jeremy Corbyn, a wannabe revolutionist who spends more time rebelling against his party and lapping up attention at rallies than wprking with his party, who has connections I don't think the PM of this country should have how cups he possibly be taken seriously at peace talks, who made an absolutely dismal attempt during the referendum, ignores female MP's being threatened, is useless at leading the opposition party and simply isn't the principled man his pr team make out he is

He will never be PM even many of his supporters recognise this

I do think that most areas vote Labour, Liberal or Conservative. Some people vote for a good MP.
My Labour voting family would've voted for a donkey if it was wearing a red rosette.
The MPs who stand in those areas need to ask themselves whether they were voted in because of their own work or because they had the endorsement of the Party.
It feels like a lot of them were nurtured in the Blair years and the Milliband years. That's what they espouse. Is it what got them elected?
Right now Corbyn is getting people to turn out at rallies and finance the Party.
Owen Smith is quite frankly feeble.
Find me a strong leftist candidate and I'll think about voting for them. Neither Eagle nor Smith has a 'cult' or any sway. And Stephen Kinnock isn't the answer either.
Corbyn isn't perfect. I like him but find me someone I like more and the electorate likes more and I'll take it. I don't want Blair lite, Cameron lite. I want passion, commitment, social justice and a PM to deliver it.

The MPs who stand in those areas need to ask themselves whether they were voted in because of their own work or because they had the endorsement of the Party.

I think it may have been both - the survey posted upthread shows that 49% of people who voted labour at the last election do not support JC.
So if, as is claimed, there is a large and increasing labour vote out there, then those voters are people who have been attracted to the party by JC, at the expense of people who voted in the past.

I think JC has shaken many of those people who vote 'party' into actually thinking a lot more carefully about their vote.

In most cases; the people who vote labour will still vote labour with Corbyn in charge anyways, because that's all they know, I live in a ultra safe labour seat, stick a read tie on a gorilla and they'd vote for it even if the local conservative candidate was offering everyone free money in his campaign. Me, I'd sooner shit in my hand and clap than vote labour, they've got complacent up here like they've done in all their safe seats, and just bank on people just voting them and riding with it, all because Thatcher existed in the 70's and 80's.

I'll still vote for Corbyn in the leadership election like I did the last time, because as then, I knew it would be funny to watch the labour party implode and become unelectable and I'm enjoying the ride, it's fun watching an old man who hasn't progressed past the level of 6th form politics debating be the leader of the opposition.

I can respect people whose political opinion differs from mine. People who think joining a party, lying on their declaration and laughing about that anonymously? No.

I didn't join the party, get a vote via union subs ;)

I do think that most areas vote Labour, Liberal or Conservative. Except in Scotland

What happened is Scotland can happen elsewhere.

In Scotland, of course.

True wibble. Wales & NI also not the same.

Dh and I live in a safe labour seat and are "traditional " labour voters . We have told our mp that we cannot vote labour while Corbyn is leader. He is divisive (despite protestations to the contrary) , indulgent of extremists and weak. I will vote LibDem (God forgive me) or Green rather than give credence to this man. Unless the Tory leader was a maniac like Trump, I have no choice but to avoid Labour at the polls.

'Unless the Tory leader was a maniac like Trump, I have no choice but to avoid Labour at the polls.'

Well yes, for all Cameron's faults he didn't appear to shirk the day to day mundane running of the country. I don't think Corbyn is bothered about any of that. He gets his kicks from exciting rallies all around the country with wild visions and pledges about how he will be our saviour.

I think he's a bit lazy to be honest and I'm doubtful he can turn vision into consistent political action .. and be capable of the Monday to Friday day to day grafting.

Yes he does spend an lot of time at rallies

We do have a lot of floating voters and labour have lost many voters to UKIP these are the voters Labour need to win back to stand a chance of not being in opposition

But the far left are more vocal and shouting louder so other voters are being overlooked and UKIP are just waiting to win them over

Re-m the constanmt rallies:

Its almost like some (not ALL Labour voters may I add to the poster who fed me a biscuit!) people just want to touch him and they will be healed!

I beginning to think Corbyn himself thinks he can heal them

He certainly has decided he is the saviour of the working class ordinary people yay