Why is everyone in the public crazy about Jesus Corbyn/Corbyn Wan Kenobi?

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I mean, WTF? He has disciples (as one journalist observed).

Ive totally gone off Alec Guiness now as all JC -(even the initials!!!!) needs is a long brown cloak with a hood like a bloody Jedi master.

And hell be walking on water next!

What is it about him that has thousands signing up for Labour membership?

I WAS a Labour member but because of him Ive left .

genuine question, what influence is he having, to make him followed like a deity?

The Tories must be pissing themselves laughing, and so confident they'll get the next election win, simply because labours a mess, and any other party never get a look in anyway.

I despar for this country.

The Tories must be pissing themselves laughing, and so confident they'll get the next election win, simply because labours a mess,

I'm sure they are, but as has been pointed out upthread, the Torys don't air their dirty linen in public, so to speak, so they are always going to present themselves as a viable Government.

JC wants a different type of politics, which he could probably achieve if his party united behind him, despite any misgivings they may have. As it is, the party appears to be self destructing at the first sign of significant disagreement.
Not the kind of conduct that instills confidence in the party to form a Government.

Absolutely agree Time. Really the anti corbynistas should have put the party before their own agendas and thought about the damage their actions have caused, which imo is far worse that JC.

wibble I think where you and I differ is what we think JC should do next.

My view is that it is clear that he hasn't managed to unite the party, (which is, after all, a leadership function), so he should gracefully bow out now in order to prevent the party destroying itself. It may not achieve what he set out to achieve, but at least the Labour Party survives to fight another day. As the "leader" he should lead by example and demonstrate a commitment to the future of the party.

You seem to think that JC should fight his corner, until the anti-Corbynistas give in. Which is fine, but seems likely to result in a party split if they don't.

While JC might have the moral high ground, he is the most Senior Parliamentary Labour Party member, a and therefore he has a greater responsibility towards the party than the back benchers. His unwillingness or inability to demonstrate that brings his leadership skills into question.

Has Corbyn ever put the party before his own agenda no

Why should I support someone who I do not believe would make a good PM, I feel experience has proved he is unable to lead the party, is not the principled man he is portrayed to be, has questionable contacts, has ideas that I disagree with, has constantly rebelled against the party he is meant to represent (there is a party that perfectly fits his views wouldn't get him a seat in parliament though). shouldn't I expect the party leader to do something about his mp's being bullied to the point they are having to involve the police, who says nothing when one of his own MP's is reduced to tears after being attacked at a highly sensitive press conference. I don't believe he is doing what is best for the party (when so many of his own mp's have no confidence in him) I believe is is doing what is best for his own career

Or should I turn a blind eye simply because he is the leader of the Labour Party.

Many others agree with all above, some of the above and overall think he is unelectable (down to his own doing not because of a conspiracy against him)

The Tories can and do get rid of unpopular leaders. IDS won an election and a couple of years later was deposed by the party.
The election rules, which mean the PCP choose from the candidates until only 2 go for the membership vote mean they cannot get a leader a significant number of the PCP do not stand behind.

Corbyn isn't a very intelligent man, he failed every exam he has ever sat. There is evidence to say that stupid idiots want to vote for someone like themselves. ie JC. AS is happening in America.

Sadly we have to go above their heads and elect intelligent people.

Math, i really really hope you are being goady. If not, your attitude is exactly the reason that people are voting for JC.

Some idiots have qualifications coming out of their ears. A PM needs common sense and the ablity to relate to the common man.

I am not a labour support, but I wish the country had a half decent opposition to curb the excesses of the present govement who want to bring grammar schools, dismantle the NHS and navigate us through Brexit. The leader of the opposition is to make everyone stop and think and maybe challenge popular opinion.

For example popular opinion is that migration had made housing unaffordable rather than looking at the rise of Btl. Many people want the return of grammars and forget that the world needs more skilled people than the past.

Where is the opposition? Why is Corbyn not arguing and campaigning against all these things that hurt working class and lower middle class families. Many labour MPs are just Tories in red.

The Tories think UKIP, or at least the urge to vote UKIP, is the opposition. Hence any idea that UKIP come up with that isn't visibly dripping foam, is suddenly Tory party policy, or, sorry, is suddenly 'not ruled out' by the Tories.

JC will be elected Prime Minister on the fourth of never. I don't honestly see how anyone can think otherwise. Really? Prime Minister? Labour as a mass party is effectively dead, because of the SNP. JC and the MPs (band name?) are arguing over a corpse.

Something will change. The wind, or the weather. Maybe Labour does need to become a movement, rather than a party - maybe JC is doing the only thing he can do, abandon the corpse and do something else? And maybe a new set of ideas will come from the movement and reanimate the corpse, when the really very deep strangeness of the Tories comes out again, as eventually it always does. I do worry, though, that what will come out will look an awful lot more like a demagogue or a dictator. We've had Farage (please God it remains in the past tense). That means we think we've had our Trump, but perhaps we haven't. I wouldn't tbh trust JC to recognise a demagogue and stop her - he'd be more likely to foment her.

Maybe the lib dems will arise from the dead.

I agree with Gasp0de about Corbyn being an incompetent leader.

However on-line Corbyn supporters seem to be conspiracy theorists who would rather believe in 'plotters' than the more mundane reality that Corbyn has no interest in being leader of the opposition - or they genuinely don't care if Labour ceases to be a significant parliamentary party.

At the moment the Tories don't have to do much to make Corbyn look bad. However if they were at all worried they could easily dip into his history of support for the IRA and other questionable organisations. Voting against trident doesn't make somebody a nice cuddly pacifist.

Why is Corbyn not arguing and campaigning against all these things that hurt working class and lower middle class families.

That sound boooooring and rallies are fun!

Really the anti corbynistas should have put the party before their own agendas and thought about the damage their actions have caused

Except JC never did this as a back bencher.

Even if you think the PLP are just getting their revenge (and ignore all the examples of his failure to communicate), an inability to work with your colleagues is not the sign of a good leader.

That doesn't mean that there is no useful role for JC, but it isn't leader.

anandale you're right, Labour isn't a party any more, its a movement.

Ive been a Labour supporter all ym adult life and Im so sad seeing it crumbling like this.JCs become like a cult.

JCs become like a cult.

YY. I was thinking that today, when I saw the pics of him sitting on the floor of the train, reading Private Eye, last week. Loads of people saying how awesome it was that he is a "normal person". Only he isn't, is he? He's been elected to do a job.

I expect more from an MP and party leader than that. I understand that it might cost a bit more to pay for him to have a seat, but at least if he was travelling first class, he could do some meaningful work, which is what he was elected to do by his constituents and those who voted for him to be party leader.

As a tax payer, I may not have paid out for a more expensive rail ticket, but my taxes still paid JC his allowance, while he was sitting on the train floor reading a comic book. He should have been making the best use of that time, that was being paid for by taxpayers, not kicking back and treating his 3 hour train journey as a jolly.

JCs become like a cult is so patronizing to people who vote for him. Pretty much insinuating that these people are too thick to think for themselves and have been brainwashed into voting for jc. Thats really gonna convince people to not vote JC as next leader. The only way to get rid of Corbyn without causing major divides within Labour is to get another credible candidate that JC Labour members feel they can align with (politically speaking) and switch their vote to.

wibble - I don't see the people who voted for him as being part of a cult. I do think he represents them and their views.

But there are literally tens, if not hundreds of thousands of non-party members, some of whom have NEVER voted in a local or even general election, who are raving about how marvellous he is - without really knowing what his politics are or what he stands for.

He seems to have become a figurehead, a person that represents a solution to the "Everyman" problems, without those people knowing what those solutions are.

wibble, when JC was elected I didn't think it was a problem that he was unelectable - none of the other candidates seemed electable either.

However it now appears that he is unelectable and can't get on with colleagues any better as leader than he did as a rebellious back bencher. People like Richard Murphy (credited with 'corbynomics') who initially saw him as somebody who could really change things are now disillusioned - not because of the PLP or MSM but because of the experience of actually working with JC.

At this point just maintaining a substantial labour presence in parliament seems a long shot - but many of Corbyn's supporters don't seem to care about parliament anyway.

But there are literally tens, if not hundreds of thousands of non-party members, some of whom have NEVER voted in a local or even general election, who are raving about how marvellous he is - without really knowing what his politics are or what he stands for. What evidence do you have that they dont know what his politics are? What difference if they have never voted. Everyone has to start somewhere. Not that it even matters, lots of voters dont know exactly what the politics are they are voting for, like lots of tax credit beneficiaries/low paid people voting for David Cameron last GE. Its not a requirement. You wouldnt claim that DC is a cult tho? I just find it astounding as a non Labour voter the way Labour is carrying on. From an outsider point of view, its not JC that is the problem (regardless of his politics) is the way anti corbynists have went out of their way to sabotage him, it comes across as undemocratic, sleekit (trying to stop new members voting) and as though those of centre standing having spat out their dummy (much like the reaction after the EU ref). Thats how it comes across to non Labour voters imo, and in no way encourages us back or tempts anyone to vote for them.

But if he was an effective leader he would have the support of his MPs.

If they dont agree with his politics, despise him and consider their views more important that that of the majority no amount of effectiveness is going to get them to co operate if they think there is a chance they can oust him. From my outsider view, it seems that the majority of the labour membership decided upon going back to left of centre politics (not totally unheard of for labour) through their choosing of JC and the minority of the party weren't happy with that and decided that they knew better. Which may or not be the case, but in a democractic leadership the majority win and you cant then try and change the result because you dont agree with it. He wont be leader forever and imo they should have let him run his natural course. If he was as bad as they imply, he would have been legitimately voted out. The fact that they are rebelling against him whilst offering no credible alternative, along with the chance it seems likely that JC is going to be re elected. What are they gonna do after he is re elected. They are really gonna look majorly stupid. Are they going to resign? Those Mps rebelling against him dont seem to be speaking for the majority of labour members. They cant even claim to speak for the majority of labour voters as no one knows the true figures of who loves/hates JC.

'But if he was an effective leader he would have the support of his MPs.'

No because he is more left wing than them and they don't like it. They are Establishment, he isn't. He won't do as he is told over wars, privatisation even Brexit. Smith wanst us to stay in the EU (as does the Establishment), Corbyn has accepted we are leaving and h doesn't care as long as he can maintain workers' rights and good cooperation. Corbyn can't be controlled, he is not in the Establishment club, so there is no way they will accept him because he threatens the entire status quo.

The MPs represent millions of constituents, not just the Labour Party.

However, the disagreements don't appear to be about policy, but about JC's lack of ability and desire to communicate with his own MPs and to follow and form agreed policy, whatever that might be.

Why would this be surprising? He has spent 30 years happily sitting on the back bench disagreeing with the other labour MPs.

However, the PLP aren't all 'Blairites'. Many of the MPs who have been frustrated by his performance have been elected since 2010 and are from the left of the party.

I do think that some of the more ambitious MPs are waiting for the Labour Party to implode before coming to the rescue. Nobody wants to stand against JC, they would rather sacrifice Angela and Owen. They would rather have waited for JC to fail, but were panicked at the prospect of an imminent general election. It wasn't so much a coup as the PLP attempting to avert disaster. As it turns out, things played out differently and they just got a different disaster.

And the surge in Labour membership is from hundreds of thousands of left wingers who realise that the Establishment Blairite Red Tory status quo is a dead end that leads to Iraq Wars, abstaining on welfare cuts etc and they have had enough of it. The mood change took Corbyn by surprise, he and his tiny band of left wingers never expected that he would be so popular. He is the right man for the time, he has been swept to the leadership on a surge of popular support that has shocked the Establishment and their stooges. He is now facing a revolt by the 172, but the country has changed immeasurably, people are fed up of the same old Establishment lines, spin and policies. They can't beat Corbyn because he has huge popular support. Those people won't roll over and think Hillary Benn is the bees' knees. It is over for the Establishment types for many years.