Why is everyone in the public crazy about Jesus Corbyn/Corbyn Wan Kenobi?

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I mean, WTF? He has disciples (as one journalist observed).

Ive totally gone off Alec Guiness now as all JC -(even the initials!!!!) needs is a long brown cloak with a hood like a bloody Jedi master.

And hell be walking on water next!

What is it about him that has thousands signing up for Labour membership?

I WAS a Labour member but because of him Ive left .

genuine question, what influence is he having, to make him followed like a deity?

I increasingly think the perception of JC as a cult figure is being perpetuated by his team.

Look at today's news - JC is too special/important/sensitive to take part in hustings hosted by left wing media who haven't reported the campaign the way that the JC team think they should.

Well, what Psychology Today says about cult leaders ; -

They all have an over-abundant belief that they are special, that they and they alone had the answers to problems, and that they had to be revered. They demanded perfect loyalty from followers, they overvalued themselves and devalued those around them, they were intolerant of criticism, and above all they did not like being questioned or challenged. And yet, in spite of these less than charming traits, they had no trouble attracting those who were willing to overlook these features.

Well that appears to sum up Corbyn

I am amazed that so many brush aside his connections or make out they are not an issue

Note JC has dismissed G4S from the security job at the Labour conference because they work in Israel and is using a firm that refuses to recognize unions in the UK.
So better to shaft British workers than talk to a Jew.

caroldecker That's been rumbling for ages - the Labour Party G4S boycott was agreed last year, but the hope was there would be a number of other security companies tendering for the work.
When it came to it, only two were shortlisted, and one pulled out.

Then, in late July this year, the Unions highlighted their displeasure with the default company. By which time, it was too late to lift the boycott as G4S wouldn't be able to fulfil the contract so late in the day.

I'm not sure JC can be held personally accountable - but it certainly reflects the apparent incompetence and short-sightedness of the party as a whole. (And exposes the party as having leaks like a sieve)

Does anyone every wonder that there are so many people on momentum rallies because they are all unemployed. Everyone I know is to busy with work and family to waste time going to political rallies!

NNChange and the anti-semitism

To answer the op, it isn't necessarily Corbyn as a person I am 'crazy' about.

I am 'crazy' about the long term effects that 40 years of unremitting neoliberalism, reassignment of public money into private hands and dismantling of the public sector has on the poorer people in society.

Life is not as simple as saying 'everyone is to blame for their own choices'. Even a casual reading of Adam Smith, the neoliberalist darling, demonstrates that that is only a valid criticism when everyone starts from an equal level. That is not the case.

Not only am I sick of having to fight 10 times as hard as a born rich middle class person just to make a living in Britain, I am absolutely furious by the way those same people then look down on me and my ilk from the heights of their economic wealth, kick away the ladders that put them there, and tell me it's all my own fault for not fighting even harder.

For all those criticising him for being hard left and stuck in the 70s/ 80s, I say the 1970's/ 1980's was a far far better place than the 1870's/ 1880s which is the period the neoliberalists are bringing back, nor is thepresence of a public sector and redistribution mechanism a 'hard' left idea - it's considered standard in most European countries.

Look at it this way - we've had 40 years of these attitudes and they are leading, as they led once before, to environmental destruction, slow economic suicide, widespread suffering among the poorer demographics, and attendant disaffection and unrest. We need change. Corbyn is currently the only person in the establishment seriously promoting that, as opposed to giving lip service. Until I get a choice of people capable of promoting real change and willing to do so I will continue to support him.

Hear hear Bungo!
Also - I don't know of anyone 'worshipping' Corbyn but many who support his politics. The cult leader image is certainly being driven by his opposition, those supporting him are happy to discuss his faults IME.

He is supposed to be the ultimate back-bench MP, isn't he?

But I lived in his constituency for six years, two of which I was a SAHM - so using local services, out chatting to local people in the shops, parks etc. I knew several elderly neighbours pretty well. Looking back now, I never, ever saw him or heard his name mentioned. Surely if he was so active locally I would have heard his name at some point? I met the local councillors once at a public meeting.

I am sure he is a decent enough man, but the phrase 'greatness thrust upon him' seems very apt.

Does anyone every wonder that there are so many people on momentum rallies because they are all unemployed. Everyone I know is to busy with work and family to waste time going to political rallies!

No. I work and was at a rally on my day off. Many of the people that came to one this week took their lunchbreak to come and went back to work. Some even brought their children as it is currently the summer holidays where we are.

This sort of judgemental bollocks really is totally unnecessary. 'Does anyone wonder'. No - it is only you trying to dripfeed poison.

I do wonder why the need for Corbyn to attend so many rallies

Shame he didn't put as much effort into the referendum you know something that actually was going to change the way we live

Unfortunately its got to the point whatever he says many of his supporters will agree and cheer. still he seems to be enjoying himself and his supporters are enjoying being part of a movement

Meanwhile the Tories get to work

Corbyn grew up with every privilege, his parents were a maths teacher and an engineer. He grew up in a seven-bedroomed manor house in a picturesque Shropshire hamlet. He attended private then grammar school. Despite all those advantages he failed his A-levels miserably and then dropped out of polytech with nothing after 12 months. He has never had any job in the private sector his whole life and he has never held any appointed office in Government until now at 66. His whole life has been spent protesting.

And for some deluded reason some people think he would be able to run our country.

Corbyn is probably to stupid to even know he is lying, but most voters are intelligent enough to understand you can't just wish all our woes away with borrowing and taxes. I have not heard a single idea out of Jeremy's mouth that gives tangible effect to how he would deal with the adverse effects of massive borrowing and/or massive tax hikes. That is why so many voters decided to vote intelligently at the last two elections and will continue to do so until Labour grow up into a potential party of government.

I guess those voting for Corbyn either, like him, had everything handed to them on a plate or just want everything for free and don't care if it destroys the country.

He does seem to attract many mc socialists wanting to save the working class

I'm not dignifying that assertion about having things all handed to me on a plate with an answer otherwise I'll be here all day.

"You can't wish all our woes away with borrowing and taxes". No. But I wonder if you're really aware of the gross inequality in this country, and how fast it is rising. Or of any of the known flaws in the models we know of as capitalism - automatically leads to inequality unless moderated - and neoliberalism - no interest in production. Also of the role of the public sector and public infrastructure in providing the backbone of the British economy, both physical and human (education, health, etc). Take it away and we are back in the Victorian period, it's simple: it's what happened before and it's what's happening now. Removing support, choice and opportunities for poorer people does not improve the economy: it can only impoverish it further. It has been happening in front of our eyes for 40 years and even the OECD and IMF have admitted it.

It's worth restating: the public sector and state spending did not cause the 2008 crash. It was not even state regulation that caused the 2008 crash. It was lack of regulation and unfettered private greed.

The working classes need saving right now, as does anyone on incomes below, what, £30k a year? Work no longer pays. It is becoming more and more difficult to earn a living, between low wages and rising living costs. Yet the rich get ever richer. Our economy is broken. Perhaps we should examine how it's become broken, and try to fix it, by... doing something different.

Radical, I know.

The working classes need saving right now, as does anyone on incomes below, what, £30k a year?

Really? What makes you think I need saving? From what?

Saving

Opportunities and better pay yes

That's what Corbyn doesn't get being very privileged himself many working class people are not so bothered about wealth being distributed the rich have less the poor have more they want what they have or a bit of it

I wonder if you're really aware of the gross inequality in this country
Are you aware of the gross inequality between this country and others? So do we help everybody on the planet equally or are you suggesting we only help the English? It has always been so and probably always will be because its human nature. That doesn't make it right but democratic capitalism, imperfect as it is, works. There isn't a single successful communist country in the world, they have all failed!

That doesn't mean we give up trying to get better but ignorant people like professional protester Corbyn, do not have the ability to make the country a better place.

Enthusiasm saving was your word originally, not mine. I merely borrowed it. Glad you agree that it isn't all rosy down here (fwiw I'm from the working classes). If I read your last sentence correctly, the poor having a bit more of what the rich have is what redistribution means.

Yes mathsmum I am aware of the gross inequality between this country and others. It's actually been reducing overall for sometime, so yes not everything about capitalism is bad: although that is bringing us up hard against the earth's environmental limits. What no one has ever explained to me to my satisfaction is why it is, apparently, the poorer groups in Britain that should be paying for redistribution to poorer countries, while the rich who took the lion's share of their resources away from them in the first place, get away with doing so again. The richest groups of all in the west control a phenomenol proportion of wealth: and it is increasing. It is they who should be redistributing their proportion of wealth, not those of us who barely manage to pay the bills. God knows what they do with it all anyway. They certainly do not need it to live and we, people of Britain and of the world, can no longer afford to support their greed.

Democratic capitalism only worked for as long as all people are enabled to make a living and contribute, thus maintaining the economy. I'm not asking for communism, neither is Corbyn. I'm asking for the balance between public and private sectors to be brought back, for everyone to be given a chance.

The Tories and austerity policies certainly are not making the world a better place are they?

Not only am I sick of having to fight 10 times as hard as a born rich middle class person just to make a living in Britain

JC has had a very comfortable life as a back bencher in parliament for his entire working life. He has really benefitted from being a middle class white male.

It's very easy to stick to your principles if you never stick your head above the parapet and try to get things done through the hard slog practical work of government.

He hasn't shown any interest in holding any political office for 30 years or building bridges with anyone, so it's a little difficult to believe that he has changed his tune now he is past retirement age.

However, the fact that so many people want to believe that he represents something more is real. At this point he will win, and all that we can hope is that the Tories don't do too much damage without any real opposition. A viable centre left alternative will regroup somehow. I just hope it doesn't take too long.

www.virgintrains.co.uk/about/media-room/#/pressreleases/virgin-trains-clarifies-labour-leaders-claim-of-ram-packed-service-1530005

Looks like his stunt where he was sat on the floor is nothing more than PR, obviously this is the principled honest man that everyone goes on about....

Looks like JC is a sniveling little lier. Making up stories to justify his deluded ideology of renationalisation. Maybe he just likes sitting on the floor outside toilets?

The Tories and austerity policies certainly are not making the world a better place are they? Pedaling the austerity line is pretty ignorant. The country only has so much money. What you really mean is, "why don't we borrow more money so we don't have to deal with reality".

Looks like JC is a sniveling little lier.

That's slightly stronger than I came on to post, but I share the sentiment.

Of course, he's not the only politician who has endevoured to manipulate the media to his own ends - many have - but I'm struggling to understand how anyone can openly support a prospective political leader who is so incompetent at it.

Another thing bugs me about the train incident. JC says he wants to run the country but his campaign team is to stupid to book a seat on a busy train? Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.