Black Lives Matter campaigners

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I am a little confused as to why these guys are demonstrating. There seems to be no obvious catalyst - i.e. in response to a recent example of police racial prejudice. Also isn't BLM an American organisation? It just seems like they are making a point for the sake of it rather than getting themselves heard in a more constructive way. Also, IMO all lives matter, so equality should be the same whatever race you are. I can't really see how are they going to do much more than annoy people by blocking roads.

Black people suffer disproportionately from sickle cell anaemia

Why isn't Black lives Matter fixing this before addressing police violence

You can't make it up etc.

#yourslipisshowing

Morgan Freeman has spoken about racism and the shootings in America of black men by white policemen

I am not sure he was saying don't talk about racism but don't refer to someone's race or it is not necessary to unless it is appropriate. I find as we are quite caught up in class here (though we are not so open about it) and America is caught up in what race/ethnic background you are and maybe he is saying why call him a great black actor why not just say he is a great actor why is he defined by his race (might have got that wrong).

He has certianly spoken out about racism

Black people suffer disproportionately from sickle cell anaemia

Why isn't Black lives Matter fixing this before addressing police violence

That is the most bizarre argument for not challenging police brutality I have ever heard.

I know, I am taking the piss out of people who were giving a laundry list of things that BLM needs to fix - single parenthood, black on black crime (the very phrase is barf tastic) - before addressing their activism towards the state violence that disproportionately targets Black people everywhere

soz I thought I was being obvious

In seriousness, it is illuminating to say the least to see how threatened some people seem to feel by the suggestion that Black Lives Matter, and the lengths to which they'll go to try to show otherwise

Duh, sorry UncontrolledImmigrant However in the context of this and other racist threads on mumsnet, you can't blame me for misunderstanding, as you can see further up the thread someone claims that there is the same culture throughout Africa and most of Asia...

you do realise, don't you, that supersoft is a Muslim herself?

Yes. An extremely disillusioned one.

Didn't you realise that?

Fabulous post of 15.34 Trop.

My family were coming home the day of the Heathrow shenanigans and the mention of Mark Duggan on the news in connection with the protest meant I switched off to their cause there and then.

Didn't you realise that?

The poster in question informed us 2 months ago, ohdearme . Actually ex-Muslim, if I'm not mistaken, so she is a wealth of cultural and faith knowledge. And yet she's slated by ignoramuses on this and other threads.

no, she is a 'wealth of knowledge' about islam, not black people here or in america

Miriam, the poster has been around for a long time under various names.

She's very easily recognisable.

You do realise, don't you that Supersoft is a Muslim herself

Have you met her?

I always thought supersoft was claig and there is a anther name that starts with b. I could be wrong.

Have you met her?

Just what I was wondering. I find some people make quite unbelievable claims on mumsnet, but what do I know...

More than you think Atenco, I have it on good authority that 1 in 200 Mnetters is a man called Nigel!

More than you think Atenco, I have it on good authority that 1 in 200 Mnetters is a man called Nigel!

Is that the bloke who has a mistress called Mia?

Hehehe

OK sorry for my bad spelling and grammar but I dont have time to read again. One last post from me.

A racist thread Racism entails some sort of supremacy and fear of foreigners Atenco. Please cut and paste an example of those things on this thread for us to see? If you going telling people they are not not allowed to have an opinion on what is happening other than, I love BLM too and if you say anything else, you are racist? Then its you that have a problem, a problem with open debate and reality.

Racism is a universal trait. We're all of us guilty of this a bit, we are human beings afterall. But dont confuse criticism of a cultural behaviour with ethnic hatred, such as, hatred of jews just because they are jews, or blacks, just because they're black, or gays because they're gay. Things that there isn't anything you can do about.

Supersoftcuddly has said there is a problem with much of the black culture. The violent crime, drug dealing, crime and single families. She say that this is what BLM should be putting their energy into and this is by far the worse peoblem stopping black people from acheiving better. Not the Police who risking their lives to everyday to lock up violent criminals. You know what? That is absolutely right.
It isn't racist to point to those that use the guns to take lives of other blacks, over turf, drugs and money. To talk about how many too many black boys have no fathers present at the home. There's nothing racist about saying, 'this is being done by people of the black race – do something about it' . That's not racist in the least. You are not saying change your ethnicity you are saying change your behaviour.

I'm sorry white people, I love you, but many too many of you treat BLM as a way to prove how non-racist you are and calling each other names and squabbling about linguistics, white privilege and other BS. This doesn't help anyone at all.
This is what BLM leaders (who definitely are racist) think of you whites who are on their side. Not every black person in BLM feels this way I think, but the leaders do. Please dont get behind these people, you would never get behind the BNP well this is the black version, make no mistake.

wearyourvoicemag.com/identities/race/white-people-blacklivesmatter-protests

Thank you for your opinion, Tropezienne, but first of all I have seen how Supersoftcuddly jumps in to make huge sweeping negative generalisations about Muslims and now she is doing it about black people. Personally I think black violence is a totally separate issue from police violence.

And if we are going to discuss black-on-black violence, that is for another place, but I have not forgotten how the CIA introduced crack cocaine into the black ghettos in the US in the 1980s. Whatever colour you are, if a young person grows up in a society that makes it eminently clear that you are surplus to requirements, they internalise that and start self-harming with drugs. I have seen this happen with translucently white kids in Dublin and I see in happening now with the children of Mexico.

As for that article, that is one person's opinion, IMHO. I live in Mexico so I won't be going to any of these marches, but I recognise the author's disgust at the so-called anarchists who turn up. They turn up at our demonstrations in Mexico and a lot of them are paid agent provocateurs. These tactics are international.

As regards the author's racist comments about whites, again that is one person's point of view, though undoubtedly shared by many in the US. It is an extremely racist country. And racism serves to divide and conquer.

It still doesn't take away from the essential issue that Black Lives Matter and police are killing innocent people with impunity.

Trop - no racism isn't always about supremacy or fear; the definition of racism is thinking members of a particular race all hold specific characteristics specific to that race which implies superiority or inferiority.

So it is absolutely racist to talk about BME communities and 'violent crime, drug dealing, crime and single - parent families' without looking at the causes of this which are generally stemming from socio - economic factors which in themselves are often the result of centuries of racism.

Otherwise you're saying that crime, violence etc are specific to these communities/races and they're not. And it does stem back to the old racist attitudes towards people of colour that were seen in the days of slavery and beyond that people of colour are 'lacking in intelligence, lazy, violent, sly, propensity to mental illness, feckless parents etc'.

And it's basically saying that these communities are in turmoil as a result of centuries of racism, lack of opportunity etc but now it's all their fault, they have to take responsibility for all of it and sort their shit out.

Trope, Supersoft has no interest in listening to other people's views. I have had discussions with them on points raised, from single mothers, fatherless children, black on black crimes, education, black lives matter. most of the points made here and other posts. They are one of the few people that blames black people for using racism. In her view it would be best not to complain about racism because it's black people' s fault for not working harder, staying married. To stop seeing racism where there isn't one. Every race gets shot so why are black people complaining about police shooting.

I followed the thread and saw the same dribble and didn't feel like responding again. This is not at the op or those that start these threads. I think it's great that people do, but you also get those that prevent discussions. Instead of asking why, they deny any existence and how 200 years ago slavery ended, so what do black people want now.

A question to supersoft. Has the US federal government released their own data on how many people the police shoot every year yet ? Let us know when they do. This is not just aimed at innocent people killed but people in general. Am not being empathetic to criminals either. It's about data that you would think it should be available to the public.

Thanks for your replies hec and atenco. At times, I just don't feel like talking about racism and explaining the same issues over and over again. It's hard to stay away from threads like these.

Possibly Ohdearme, in the same way that Norman Bates has a "mother".

Oh this thread.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Christopher_Alder

This case is a very good example of a black person's life being treated as unimportant. Did people think the Stephen Lawrence case was a one off and that institutionalised racism is a myth.

I would also encourage anyone to look up the Inquiry into the death of David Bennett. A major finding of the inquiry is that black people are far more likely to have have higher doses of medication and more use of physical restraint used on them, then white people with the same conditions.

Look at the Inquest website and at their statistics. Inquest are a fantastic charity by the way, who also do a lot of work for women and young offenders.

Nobody will convince me that Black Lives Matter aren't a terrorist organisation.

A group of people claiming to be standing for a worthy cause, but you don't have to search far to find the videos of a BLM march, with the chants:

"What do we want? DEAD COPS"
"When do we want it? NOW"

and

"Pigs in a blanket- fry 'em like bacon"

And now the Milwaukee BLM. Setting a gas station on fire, pulling white people from their cars and beating them. It is audible on the recording,

"Is they white? Stamp her head, Bitch. BLACK POWER".

Martin Luther King would be spinning in his grave.

Will post links if people aren't convinced this is true, they aren't comfortable viewing though.

Black lives do matter. But BLM are a bunch of thugs at best, at worst, terrorists. In my opinion, anyway.

Black people make up 13% of the US population.
They account for 24% of police shooting deaths.

But, they make up 50% of all gun related crime. The figures speak for themselves.

They are not being singled out by the police for target practice ffs.

But BLM's inherent anti-police stance makes perfect sense.
One of it's 3 founders, Alicia Garza, sites Assata Shakur as a major influence on her creating BLM.

In an article which details the philosophical foundation of Black Lives Matter, Alicia Garza cites, “Assata’s powerful demand in my organizing work.”

For those who don't know, Assata Shakur (aunt of the late rapper and convicted criminal Tupac) is a former Black Panther activist and convicted Cop Killer, who escaped from prison in 1979, and fled to Cuba where she still lives due to Cuba having no extradition treaty with the US.
A criminal activist and cop killer is a major influence. No wonder they are now chanting "The best pig is a dead pig"