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Black Lives Matter campaigners

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RattusRattus · 05/08/2016 13:39

I am a little confused as to why these guys are demonstrating. There seems to be no obvious catalyst - i.e. in response to a recent example of police racial prejudice. Also isn't BLM an American organisation? It just seems like they are making a point for the sake of it rather than getting themselves heard in a more constructive way. Also, IMO all lives matter, so equality should be the same whatever race you are. I can't really see how are they going to do much more than annoy people by blocking roads.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/08/2016 17:26

For clarity, "this very important issue" = black on black killing

Nzou1050 · 06/08/2016 17:46

puzzledandpissedoff

Point 1 of this article from the BLM website deals with this

blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 06/08/2016 19:59

I am not sure there protesters have caused their campaign harm

They have been headline news, protests have been across the uk today and more people have been listening and attending

Who am I to tell a black man or woman that they should feel they are treated equally when their experience tells them they haven't

do we face the same issues as the states no our society isn't as violent and history is different but there is certianly racism about and that needs to be spoken about and that is happening

MiriamKarlin · 06/08/2016 20:20

"supersoftcuddlytoys , I see that it's not just Muslims you hate"

Atenco - you do realise, don't you, that supersoft is a Muslim herself?

supersoftcuddlytoys · 06/08/2016 20:35

An ex Muslim Miriam Smile.

I wouldn't bother engaging with such people if I were you. I welcome anyone to debate me on the points / facts, but imbecilic accusations like that? I'ts only those with no confidence in their opinions that need to stoop so low. Let them, I find it hilarious.

supersoftcuddlytoys · 06/08/2016 21:26

how do I know I judge them by their actions, how else?

Let me lay out some facts for you - which you can ignore as some people tend to do when confronted with facts that disturb their fantasy world of the big bad white oppressor: explain how the Police being less racist (despite the fact that not one of the unjust killings are proof of a racist motivation on the part of the Police and even if it were, does that condemn the entire Police force?) will change these 3 facts -

  1. That 90% of murdered blacks die at the hands of other blacks.
  1. Blacks are 27% more likely to attack whites than vice versa and 8 times more likely to attack Hispanics
  1. 90% of murdered Blacks die at the hands of other Blacks.

The truth of the BLM movement is – that they don't give a damn about Black lives, not in the least - If they did, they'd be as vociferously condemning these appalling facts and working just as hard to solve the problems of the atrociously high, violent crime rate perpetrated by blacks, against blacks that's tearing apart their own communities, as they are at disturbing the lives of their fellow citizens, rioting, burning and looting.

Black children are failing at school. Black single motherhood is at 70%. Black men are shooting and killing each other in immense proportions (compared to the rest of the pop') and walking away from their parental responsibilities in droves. There are disproportionate number of black people in jail as well for murder, and for weapons charges. And there's a fascination with violence, guns and the 'gangsta culture' which puts them there.

But for BLM, getting the Police to change is the most pressing problem Black America faces? Ask yourselves - do you really buy into that?

OK well, if you do then you're welcome to it, but we'll see what the outcome is...
As for of course Britain needs black lives matter Again great, so you can look forward to seeing your high streets, your businesses and your homes looted and burned to the ground just like the Black people of Ferguson and Louisville saw.

TheQuestingVole · 06/08/2016 22:11

BLM is a very specific response to a particularly deadly manifestation of racism in the USA. It is focused on protest against the tide of deaths of patently innocent black Americans at the hands of an armed and increasingly militarised police force, against the context of a criminal justice system that incarcerates about 5% of all black men in the US, and a society that can still remember racial apartheid. It is beginning to diversify its focus a little but it is still mostly focused on the criminal justice system.

BLM is also very deeply connected to the US black civil rights movement, which never really had an equivalent mass movement here because, again, the context is completely different.

I wish the protesters well with making life better for black communities in Britain. I understand it's tempting to coopt such a successful "brand" - but I think there would be more power in a specifically British message that addresses the problems that exist here and now.

creighton · 07/08/2016 00:48

supersoftcuddlytoys, how is anyone meant to take your 'facts/statistics' seriously when you count 2 facts as three? why so much vitriol against black people? how do you know what steps black americans are taking to deal with their problems? they are correct to view white americans as their oppressors. I think black americans have done well to hold their communities together in the face of attacks by the whites over the centuries.

I think one of the problems with talking about using the phrase 'black lives matter' is the fact that white people cannot abide not being the centre of attention for even a few minutes.

FruitCider · 07/08/2016 09:44

1. That 90% of murdered blacks die at the hands of other blacks.

What awful language. "Blacks". Ugh.

quencher · 07/08/2016 10:13

Threads likes these are tiring, tedious, irritating, blood boiling and haven't got the strength and calmness to debate it.

Let's hope the goals are achieved by the people campaigning.

MiriamKarlin · 07/08/2016 10:28

What awful language. "Blacks". Ugh.

FruitCider - Do you prefer the use of African-American and Caucasian? If the term "blacks" is awful, then "whites" must be too. No?

ApocalypseSlough · 07/08/2016 10:32

miriam black people/ white people. HTH

ATrumpIsAFartCalledDonald · 07/08/2016 10:36

Exactly Apocalypse. I find 'blacks' a very reductive term.

MiriamKarlin · 07/08/2016 10:47

You two are attempting to divert this debate. For the purposes of this discussion, in research and in regular conversation, everyone uses short-forms. It's a shorthand and is not a racial slur at all.

I've never heard anyone say, for example, The Sikh people are having a procession, OR the Chinese people are celebrating New Year.

Do you also find 'whites' a "reductive term", Trump?

FruitCider · 07/08/2016 10:58

FruitCider - Do you prefer the use of African-American and Caucasian? If the term "blacks" is awful, then "whites" must be too. No?

Don't be silly Miriam! I prefer black people/people of colour/BAME/African Caribbean. NOT "blacks" which is highly offensive. You are talking about people, not dogs!

FruitCider · 07/08/2016 11:00

Sikh/Chinese is referring to religion and ethnicity and not race. Very different thing

FruitCider · 07/08/2016 11:03

Sikh/Chinese is referring to religion and ethnicity and not race. Very different thing

ApocalypseSlough · 07/08/2016 11:32

And yes I'd refer to the 'Sikh community' or 'Chinese community'.

heknowsmysinsheseesmysoul · 07/08/2016 11:34

How about if you heard a teacher/Dr/Police officer saying 'blacks do X, Y or Z'. Fine is it?.

You think people use these terms in general conversation or research?. No. Only racists do. Religious terms are different, same as gender.

And only racists think it's 'diverting the debate' when someone objects to reductive language.

Do you say 'gays do ...' or 'disableds do. .'?

Tropezienne · 07/08/2016 11:40

I thinks that's a rather cheap shot actually and I dont think supersoft displays vitriol against black people at all. Quite the opposite in fact, she seems to be showing genuine concern over the problems that black people in America are facing. Backing that up with facts and stat's. Vitriol against BLM, certainly, but she's quite specific and open about that.

Why don't you try debating her on the facts ans stat's she's offering rather than trying to drag this discussion into one of mind yer language? Totally uninteresting.

MiriamKarlin · 07/08/2016 11:40

Everyone is fed up with the over-use of the term "community".

SpecialAgentFreyPie · 07/08/2016 11:47

Well I have mixed race children and a DH of African descent. I hate the term 'blacks' it's breathtakingly offensive. Surely everyone knows why?

MiriamKarlin · 07/08/2016 11:49

So is 'whites' equally offensive to you ladies? No one has said.

VladmirsPoutine · 07/08/2016 11:54

Everyone is fed up with the over-use of the term "community".

So you'd rather we do away with decency and respect and just adopt a narrower and crude way of referring to other individuals?

At least you aren't disguising your racism and contempt.

ApocalypseSlough · 07/08/2016 11:55

Us ladies?
You're flogging a dead horse Miriam
Yes I'd be Hmm if a black person said whites do x or whites always y. I'd feel othered and stereotyped.
HTH