Another terrorist attack

[Kreeshsheesh]

Priest has been murdered. Apparently IS had threatened to target churches in France.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36892785

No-one is saying that Islamic State defines Muslims. That would be absurd. But it's equally absurd to suggest that it has nothing to do with Islam

OTheHugeManatee, I'm not saying they have "nothing" to do with Islam, I didn't once say that.
They are a fanatic group that base themselves on warped interpretations of Islam; you and most people understand this obviously, but there are some who don't.
To out rightly say " it was an Islamic attack " is wrong. It's not.
Even the news reports are right to always report them as the SO-CALLED Islamic State because they are just that, so-called by themselves, not the world.

The French authorities will have to be seen to crack down hard. Enough hand-wringing, otherwise it’ll be bienvenue to Presidente Le Pen before long.

People are saying Islamist because that is the term rather than Islamic, so its clear that the separation is made.

Koran V2:191

And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

I'm betting the attackers have read the Koran.

Knight - I think you must realise that people are trying to explain and understand what is going on. That is a human impulse. It can't be shut down. Everyone has different ways of explaining and understanding the world (we are seeing this being played out right now) and the only way forward is through robust argumentation. If arguments are good enough and persuade enough people, then they'll stand. No-one can, or should, shut down debate, stop argumentation or criminalise rhetoric. It can't be forced away, out of sight and thus out of mind because that never works (the results of this are oppression, burgeoning conspiracy theories, a slanted perspective and general misery). You need to produce arguments that will stand up. I've seen plenty of posters come on here explaining how I'this has nothing to do with Islam' but, given that these debates are continuing, this argument is obviously not robust enough. People can either try to shut down debate or up their game and produce more convincing arguments. Personally, I much prefer the latter option.

President Hollande looks utterly broken - its heartbreaking to witness. Wish there was something we could do - feel so useless.

Nor should it fourmummy good quote.

Do you not think that, in the current situation, it might not be a bad idea to suspend the current refugee program? Bearing in mind that for every 1 refugee we settle in Europe, we could fund many more being settled closer to their home state? I mean how much worse do things have to get?

And where will that get us?

Backlashes against backlashes. On and on and on.

Whatever the Nazis were - we stopped them, shame we can't stop this shit.

. People can either try to shut down debate or up their game and produce more convincing arguments. Personally, I much prefer the latter option

Indeed.

If anyone saw the program about the camp in Jordan its a world away from camps we see over europe, and in calais.

It was CLEAN dry, well run, with a hospital, bread delivery every morning, two supermarkets, an allowance paid to all refugees, good medial center, schools, weddings take place, babies are born, the homes are dry and reasonably secure. Shops have sprung up selling all sorts and there was an identity to the camp and even a homely feel. There is good police presence and little violence.

Yes I would rather fund and help camps like these, than encourage the squalor and misery/violence we are seeing across the EU.

My Grandad was a Christian - he fought the Nazis...this argument is bollocks

Hitler was demonstrably not loving his neighbour or turning the other cheek. However, these killers are following their ideology to the letter – killing the infidels and bagging a five-star place in the afterlife.

I think Christianity was incidental to Nazism. They were racist, fascists. They were not using the Christian bible to inform their policies or to justify their actions.

My understanding is that Anders Breviec did not claim to shoot all those children because it was God's will, or ever state that he was fighting for an agenda based on the Christian bible. He was a right wing, racists. I don't even know if he was a practicing Christian at all.

So, I don't think you can compare Islamists to these Hitler or Breviec. It doesn't work. You can compare them to the Christians who blow abortion clinics in God's name, though.

Not sure how relevant it is but he was christian/catholic, not practicing and not interested in it and wanted to lesson hold on the public of religion.

Umm not sure why this has gone to Hitler?

What concerns me is Immans from the UK who lead very busy mosques going to support dubious practice in Pakistan, or hate preachers flying round the world, allowed into the UK the US and so on and allowed to preach hate?
There are strong links to these hate preachers and their followers who then carry out acts of violence.

We have to start rooting these people out and refusing such preachers entry to the UK, although nowadays that doesn't count for much when they can preach via internet. But the immans who flew to Pakistan after the death of a man who murdered someone need to be looked at.

Sorry for the typos. iPhone.

Hitler openly spoke of regarding the Catholic Church as an impressive method of control, rather than something he had loyalty to. He regarded it as in competition with Nazism for the loyalty of the Volk. As a result, he replaced christian iconography in churches with the swastika, compelled the alteration of the liturgy in non-catholic churches and actively imprisoned clergy men who spoke against his policies. Several catholic priests died in the camps.

Hitler advocated euthanasia, in direct opposition to most interpretations of Christianity. This is just one of the many points of divergence between Nazi ideology and Christianity.

So lets put this idea that Hitler was somehow interpreting Christianity the way DAESH is interpreting Islam to bed.