Another terrorist attack

[Kreeshsheesh]

Priest has been murdered. Apparently IS had threatened to target churches in France.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36892785

The imams, mosques and the religion of Islam have nothing to do with it

some imams have proven to hold dubious views - ie support murder of a man who tried to help a christian sentenced to death in Pakistan for blasphemy, This imam said the murderer was a hero and got over 100,000 likes on his FB page and he then flew out to this martyrs funeral. As did other imams in the UK.

I have reported it, maybe a few others can too

thankfully we have come a very long way since then.

Have we? Are you saying that Muslims now accept that murdering novelists might be a bad idea? Could you point me to the Muslim organisation that has changed its mind?

If you want to know why a university education isn't proof of being a decent human being, you might like to read:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/jun/19/notsurprisinglytheawarding

So on February 14 1989, when the Iranian Islamic leader, Imam Khomeini delivered his fatwa calling for Salman Rushdie's death, I was truly elated.

Apparently the writer now resiles from that, because the penny has dropped that if you go around demanding that people be killed, people might come to the entirely reasonable conclusion that you're an enthusiast for killing people.

Today I can certainly better appreciate the concerns and fear generated by the images of book-burning in Bradford and the calls for the author to be killed.

That's nice of you, Inayat. Shame you spent twenty years screaming for his killing, though.

You should have left it all the mad people will wonder what you were saying, you'll look like a ranting maniac. Smile

Excellent post Formalhaut, spot on. Of course we should be able to scrutinise and critique Islam, why should one religion but not others be exempt?

Oh well.

It was one sentence that got repeated dozens of times for some reason. Nothing controversial

Yes, excellent post form Formalhaut.

I also think it's important to note, when we talk about ISIS killing fellow Muslims, that ISIS don't regard Shia Muslims as "real" Muslims. (Much in the same way that the late Ian Paisley didn't think Catholics were real Christians, though obviously he stopped far short of killing them.)

Those sectarian differences, and the particular brand of Wahhabi Islam practised by ISIS, are key to understanding what ISIS is about. It's much more useful to try to understand their particularly religious ideology than it is to mutter pious platitudes about how they're not really Muslims.

cub I was referring to the other side actually in that hopefully we wouldn't stand for such hate to be preached now, as was left to fester then.

the late Ian Paisley didn't think Catholics were real Christians

The feeling was, of course entirely mutual.

I was referring to the other side actually in that hopefully we wouldn't stand for such hate to be preached now

No, it's completely different now.

I'm personally more concerned that yet more people have been brutally killed and hurt for nothing. I don't understand the mindset of immediately jumping to defend a religion when innocents have just been murdered. The terrorists claim they are doing it in the name of Islam therefore people will class it as Islamic. Lets also not pretend that Christianity isn't tarred when it's followers do similarly evil things.

It's awful and incredibly worrying what is happening in Europe. Mainly France and Germany right now. Just last year these attacks were rare. Now they're daily. I'm terrified this is going to become our new way of life and can't think of a single, workable solution. If the only fix is better integration, I'm worried how many more will be killed in the mean time. But what else is there? It's an absolute mess. My thoughts are with the families of those affected. Truly horrendous, those poor people.

Just coming back to why Muslim communities haven't set up big loud anti-extremist organisations. I remember the Danish cartoons and the demonstrations around the world they sparked, many of them just peaceful protest about how angry people were about them. I feel sure that Muslims must be more angry about the actions of IS and their sympathisers, why are we not seeing these protest marches? I really baffled. Maybe people might feel afraid to speak out?

I'm terrified this is going to become our new way of life and can't think of a single, workable solution.

The Front Nationale can think of a single, unworkable solution and unless the non-fascist French politicians come up with something which is reassuring and effective in the meantime, you can either say hello to President Le Pen or at the very least you can get ready for a lot of French local elections to result in Front Nationale mayors, who in France have a lot of power.

The first, and most important, job that a government does it stop its citizens from being killed. Governments that appear indifferent to the safety of the populace don't tend to last long in office. Hollande has so far done very little, because there is very little he can do, following a long succession of random killings which all have one thing in common. It's very hard to deal with unless you're a fascist, but even the fascist solutions don't work (all that repression, none of the results).

Unfortunately, France has a prepped and ready to go fascist party, and Marine Le Pen has been polling around 30% before the recent atrocities. If you want to say "oh no, of course France will never elect an FN president", you might like to think how much chance Donald Trump was of being the Republican candidate. Do you feel lucky?