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Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part VIII

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AMouseLivedinaWindMill · 06/02/2016 17:23

not quite on Claig's level but I am convinced there are political and economic interests behind the migrant exodus and the EU's soft response to the exodus, which the political elite deem more urgent and potentially volatile than the physical safety of relatively few native European women (and young girls and boys, let's not forget that boys are harassed and raped too). I have come to the conclusion that European victims of migrant (sexual) assault are considered as collateral damage in this new and dark era

I do not know what claigs level is, or much about their point of view.

but if you look at the open borders stuff....it all makes sense.

this is the philosphy behind it all - so it makes sense that at any cost literally they will pursue it.

I said before, and I willl say again, immediately after the Paris attacks an emergency summit was held and the head guy of the EU said - the first thing was in a very arrogant, dismissive and rude way " don't even talk about closing border...i will not allow it" or words to that effect.

I was gobsmacked.

There will be an idea that there will be problems, with open borders but eventually it will all sort itself out.

Its our generation of course and our lives being affected by it most. There will be a higher ideological goal that mimises all this as teething issues.

AMouseLivedinaWindMill · 06/02/2016 17:25

'I have come to the conclusion that European victims of migrant (sexual) assault are considered as collateral damage in this new and dark era.'

Blush sorry just saw this and puts my thoughts more succinctly Grin

Of course they would not have envisaged this over schenegen etc...but times have changed and the EU needs ot change accordingly but its crushingly slow t respond

BrittEkland · 06/02/2016 17:27

The Manchester trial of British-born Somali men for rape. If any of you ever doubted what some men from misogynistic backgrounds think, here is a quote from one of the scumbags talking about the victim.

"... a slut, up for anything, sexually promiscuous and available to be dominated."

The victim and her parents were photographed outside the court and intimidated by the rapists' mothers. I am appalled that the Somali mothers would do this, but on the other hand they are from the same background and imo are scumbags too. The police did absolutely nothing to stop the intimidation - being outnumbered, heckling, staring, whispering threats.

Moreshabbythanchic · 06/02/2016 17:32

Pale I was too, I was actually sickened by it and the blasé way the migrant then went on to enjoy himself in the pool. That poor little boy.

MariscallRoad · 06/02/2016 17:41

Citizens Advice Bureau on 'Protection from Harassment Act 1997'
www.citizensadvice.org.uk/discrimination/taking-action-about-discrimination/taking-action-about-harassment/

fourmummy · 06/02/2016 17:48

Thank you to everyone for continuing to post. It is really appreciated, especially by people who have no time to do so themselves. My DH is utterly convinced that it's all planned. I mostly agree, but not necessarily with the Global Governance/One World theory. The planned aspect could simply be at the more local level level of politicians entering into deals. For example, if this politician can say this:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3434945/Guernsey-s-chief-minister-says-decision-island-not-accept-Syrian-refugees-locals-Islamophobia-meant-couldn-t-guarantee-migrants-security.html

then others could too, but they don't. Could it be because they are beholden to one another in a 'you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours' type of way?
One thing though is that I am absolutely determined to find the answer to this chaos; one that makes sense. Someone knows what is going on.

GraceKellysLeftArm · 06/02/2016 17:54

Good god. A very old friend (gay) has just posted the "swimming pool rape" story on his FB. He has been told he's racist (obv.), one person has told him that it's not the rapist's fault - as nobody can predict their mental state after such stress, and another has told him that it's only one incident out of 1.6 billion muslims.

SonyaAtTheSamovar · 06/02/2016 18:11

Grace: Even the rapist in Vienna didn't blame PTSD. It was a "sexual emergency" apparently.

MariscallRoad · 06/02/2016 18:14

Now that is quite interesting. BBC Tokyo police act on train gropers 2009 old article.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8254389.stm

kesstrel · 06/02/2016 18:15

Well, it's true that it's only one incident, but what is also true is that in any culture perhaps 1 out of 100 men has serious anti-social personality disorder (sociopathy). These individuals are mostly restless, novelty-seeking, and out for what they can get, and there is no reason to believe that they don't make up the normal proportion (at least) of refugees, and probably rather more of the economic migrants. The idea that this person's behaviour is down to "trauma" strikes me as somewhat unrealistic, and an insult to all the traumatised people who nonetheless manage to behave well.

This is another reason why it is problematic to admit so many young men with no ID who are not accompanied by family members, while not registering them properly. Out of their home environments where they are known, men with APD have little incentive to restrain their behaviour.

GraceKellysLeftArm · 06/02/2016 18:17

Yeh, I've had those... a fumbled pass at 1:55am in a dodgy nightclub and turned down, then stumbling home on my own wiping kebab over my face and my heels hanging out of my jacket pocket to enjoy an episode of "Eurotrash". Never stopped to rape anyone.

fourmummy · 06/02/2016 18:18

Grace in some ways, what we are seeing here, with the accusations of racism and xenophobia, is a very well-known cognitive (human) tendency. If you separate issues out from one another (so, treat the rape of women and children as an entirely separate issue from the 200 million FGM cases worldwide, as reported today in the media), and locate the actions within individual psychopathy, then you can conveniently ignore the cultural/ideological element. Why? Because you then don't have to do anything about it. Perhaps the task is too great. How do you, in the space of a few years, overturn centuries of ideology or culture? Our politicians are certainly not equipped for this - or they've been bought. Either way, there's no political will to take on an overhaul of Islam, sexism, patriarchy, a culture of child abuse, plutocracies, etc..

GraceKellysLeftArm · 06/02/2016 18:19

The perpetrator I believe said he wasn't normally a pervert, he'd left his wife & kids behind... so chivalrous too.

It isn't only one incident though is it? We've already talked on these threads of MULTIPLE cases of (sometimes gang-) rape of under 5's in migrant centres in west and norther europe (including just last week in Sweden). It isn't just a "one-off" despicable rape, it's just another in a long list. Of the stories we are getting to hear!

LumelaMme · 06/02/2016 18:22

From that article linked just above:
Gropers can be imprisoned for up to seven years in Japan.
Wow. That should make them think twice - but by the sound of it, it doesn't.

BrittEkland · 06/02/2016 18:24

GraceKelly Ah yes, the Iraqi with too much sexual energy could not contain himself and raped a little boy. There was a poster on here who always banged on about the stress and trauma that the migrants had endured. In fact, when a person is traumatised the last thing they want to do is go swimming. Traumatised people simple want to be still in a quiet, ordered place - not this.

Here is an account by Dr Chris Allard, an army medic, re the current Syrian crisis (from his FB page, Nov 2015).

100percentfedup.com/active-duty-soldiers-riveting-case-against-bringing-syrian-refugees-to-u-s-goes-viral/

BrittEkland · 06/02/2016 18:33

It appears that Japan is about the only country that has very strong policy against the Muslim faith. Permanent residency or citizenship is prohibited to Muslims in Japan, and there is a ban on the propagation of Islam. Japanese will not allow their culture to be chopped up.

Please read:
www.hindujagruti.org/news/13946.html

kesstrel · 06/02/2016 18:44

It isn't only one incident though is it?

Sure, but I suspect you could find plenty of individual incidents of rape amongst almost any group of 700,000 plus young men Sad.

That's not to excuse the perpetrators of these incidents, but we are in danger, I think, of losing the original thrust of these threads, which was concerned particularly with

  1. the introduction of what is to us a novel form of mass punishment-rape, taharrush-gamea.

  2. the possible rise in sexual assaults due to a massive influx of young men from cultures that seem to have a disrespectful view of western women, combined with the well-established demographic problems of young men seriously outnumbering young women.

vladimirsoftless · 06/02/2016 18:47

Why? Because you then don't have to do anything about it.

yes

fourmummy · 06/02/2016 18:56

Vladimir Our whole culture is geared towards treating individuals and their problems - trauma, PTSD, mental illness. Saying "These rapes are done by a few bad individuals with mental problems and they are not all like that" means that we can focus all our efforts on these few unfortunates and never have to address the ideology that tells them it's fine to rape, it's fine to view women as barely human, it's fine to kill, fine to hate.

GraceKellysLeftArm · 06/02/2016 19:05

I think that the rape of a child and such a blase attitude towards it - is exactly the same as a man who's happy to rape a woman or join in the gang stuff because women/children are unimportant and can be used for sexual gratification.

It makes my blood run cold that someone could possibly rape my sons simply because they're horny and sex is their right.

BrittEkland · 06/02/2016 19:15

Do please find time to read the link I posted at 18:24:01. It is an account by an army doctor while in Afghanistan and ME, and gives a view in the mindset of what we are dealing with, men & women.

BrittEkland · 06/02/2016 19:24

Going along with my notion that we are all in a longterm, global plan to overturn life as we know it, give a ponder to the following. If NHS is in critical financial shape, why would the UK decide to change the elibility rules? All EU nationals can now arrive in UK and get expensive treatment on the same day. No other EU country has changed its policy, but we have. WHY? Before, EU passport holders had to prove they had been living here for at least 6 months to qualify. And they are not billed either.

MariscallRoad · 06/02/2016 19:25

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_trauma_syndrome