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Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part VIII

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BrittEkland · 05/02/2016 10:07

For those who are still trying to portray economic migrants and refugees from the ME-NA as coming from broad-minded nations with liberal and live-and-let live attitudes towards women-gays-the disabled-animals-all faiths, who are you trying to kid? Homosexuality, for one, is contraindicated in Islam. And we are not talking about just shunning someone found to be gay, but maiming or killing them.

Palebluedotty · 05/02/2016 10:13

I'm sure I just heard a headline on BBC Radio 4 that 20 assaults were reported at Cologne carnival last night. It said there has been no comment about ethnicity. Can't see anything on the web yet. I do not know what the 'average' rate of offences is for carnival in other years.

BrittEkland · 05/02/2016 10:18

IS suspects arrested at carnival.

www.dw.com/en/police-arrest-is-suspects-as-carnival-celebrations-kick-off-in-germany/a-19026137

Chipstick10 · 05/02/2016 10:37

I find it hard sometimes to believe Islam is a tolerant peaceful religion. My son is gay and I know how he is thought of with regards to Islam

MariscallRoad · 05/02/2016 10:40

Thanks Statesman, The Superior Virtue of the Opressed (1937) with other essays is in "Unpopular Essays" by Bertrand Russell (1950) and you can read free reviews on the Google site .

MariscallRoad · 05/02/2016 10:55

DeeEm thanks you are wellcome Smile

LumelaMme · 05/02/2016 11:00

I think it was Mari who posted this article up thread and I am posting it again as it's so good:
Der Spiegel again
They say they check their facts. That sets them apart from quite a few British papers...

As for the Bertrand Russell essay, the whole thing is on Google Books. Go to this livingly provided link, click on the first edition, and then type in the essay title. Zing Boom.

I am supposed to be working today, but I want to read that, and plan to spend every break I allow myself listening to Maryam Namazie.

TheNewStatesman · 05/02/2016 11:09

You are welcome.

I came across the reference to "The Superior Virtue of the Oppressed" in "What's Left" (the Nick Cohen book). The phrase really stuck in my mind because it's so apt.

Cellardoor1 · 05/02/2016 11:25

A dutch journalist was groped on air during a live broadcast from the Cologne carnival Angry. Clearly these men have no fear of repercussions

link in dutch

Kummerspeck · 05/02/2016 11:39

I thought this showed my biggest issue with the media this week. I want the media to give me accurate facts and let me form my own opinions on things not present the facts in a skewed way that tries to tell me what to think.

This week The Guardian ran this article claiming "Unemployed Britons in richer EU states outnumber claimants from those countries in UK".

The Telegraph used the same information to produce this with the headline "Twice as many EU immigrants claiming unemployment benefits in UK than vice versa"
Both factually correct but giving a very different impression to people who read them unquestioningly

mrsquagmire · 05/02/2016 11:51

TheLocal.de says the journalist was Belgian and the groper was “of European appearance”. It’s inevitable a lot of drunken idiots will get off on the idea it’s funny to grope women. www.thelocal.de/20160205/journalist-groped-in-cologne-on-live-television
In nearby Bonn the “women’s festival” yesterday went off OK under heavy security.
www.general-anzeiger-bonn.de/ga-english/Women-take-over-article3172217.html

LumelaMme · 05/02/2016 12:18

Ah, Kummer, I know exactly what you mean. I've come across such perversions of the truth in boos written by academic historians who cherry pick the facts: shocking, but true.

And I've read those two links and see exactly what you mean! You have to read every bloody word of every article and look carefully at the graphics and THEN decide.

GraceKellysLeftArm · 05/02/2016 12:20

Cellardoor - just read that. Unbelievable. I've just realised - we are friends on fb, so I know at least one of my fb friends feels the same way I do. Wink

BrittEkland · 05/02/2016 13:37

Everyone - FB and other media is being censored.
Look at this double-speak about something called the Initiative for civil courage online. Jeez. The following is an extract from Gatestone.

It was only a few weeks ago that Facebook was forced to back down when caught permitting anti-Israel postings, but censoring equivalent anti-Palestinian postings.

Now one of the most sinister stories of the past year was hardly even reported. In September, German Chancellor Angela Merkel met Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook at a UN development summit in New York. As they sat down, Chancellor Merkel's microphone, still on, recorded Merkel asking Zuckerberg what could be done to stop anti-immigration postings being written on Facebook. She asked if it was something he was working on, and he assured her it was.

Last month, Facebook launched what it called an "Initiative for civil courage online," the aim of which, it claims, is to remove hate speech from Facebook specifically by removing comments that promote xenophobia. Facebook is working with a unit of the publisher Bertelsmann, which aims to identify and then erase "racist" posts from the site. The work is intended particularly to focus on Facebook users in Germany. At the launch of the new initiative, Facebook's chief operating officer, Sheryl Sandberg, explained that, "Hate speech has no place in our society not even on the internet. Facebook is not a place for the dissemination of hate speech or incitement to violence."

Of course, Facebook can do what it likes on its own website. What is troubling is what this organization of effort and muddled thinking reveals about what is going on in Europe.

The sinister thing about what Facebook is doing is that it is now removing speech that presumably almost everybody might consider racist -- along with speech that only someone at Facebook decides is "racist."

Facebook has made the view of the majority of the European people (who, it must be stressed, are opposed to Chancellor Merkel's policies) into "racist" views, and so is condemning the majority of Europeans as "racist." This is a policy that will do its part in pushing Europe into a disastrous future.

Palebluedotty · 05/02/2016 13:44

Kummerthat is indeed a perfect example of how to mislead. Complete cherry picking.

MariscallRoad · 05/02/2016 13:50

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GraceKellysLeftArm · 05/02/2016 14:15

Britt That's interesting, and worrying. Although Sheryl Sandberg suffered the most awful tragedy last year - she was in a position whereby "husband dead at 2pm, back home by 9pm" (mexico to US). Most of us don't have private planes/limos/army of staff to smooth things over. The "elite" are so far removed from troops on the ground (that's me and you) - that real life doesn't touch them, they operate today as they did yesterday.

A lot of my "noisy open-border" loving FB friends operate from a NIMBY position. "Let them all in", but of course they live in exclusive Cotswold Villages, North London enclaves and charming Home Counties villages - where it's all such an abstract concept.

It occurred to me this morning that when I was "leapt upon" last night by a sock-puppet (??), it was the very embodiment of the Social Justice Warrior movement I linked to yesterday. Ironic, non!? Grin

emilybohemia · 05/02/2016 14:18

No concerns about Christianity Chipstick? Do all Christians tolerate homosexuality?

GraceKellysLeftArm · 05/02/2016 14:24

In the UK we do get the odd e.g.,, B&B owner who says "not under my roof" although rarely do they drag them up to the top of a multi-storey car-park and fling them off the roof.

emilybohemia · 05/02/2016 14:28

Lumela, of course they're not all saints, neither are they the grave danger to us that many of you think. When fears about refugees and migrants are based on spurious notions of Islam and Muslims, then often those fears are based in bigotry and often ignorance.

David Davies said most people would prefer their kids not to be gay, whic I think is homophobic, ie. a fear of gay people.

GraceKellysLeftArm · 05/02/2016 14:35

Or perhaps acknowledgement that life is often "smoother" should you conform to society's preferred ideals: be thin, be beautiful, be straight, be successful.

None of us give a damn if our children are gay, but none of us wish our children to be hurt.

There is no black & white emily - stop trying to put words into the mouths of others. Transference does not equate to problem-solving.

SonyaAtTheSamovar · 05/02/2016 15:08

I have found that my tolerance levels towards knee jerk "social justice warriors" has evaporated.

LumelaMme · 05/02/2016 15:11

David Davies said most people would prefer their kids not to be gay, whic I think is homophobic, ie. a fear of gay people.
He didn't say HE would prefer his kids not to be gay, though, did he? So he was merely reporting what he thinks others might think, which is not the same thing at all.
And as Grace says, life can be trickier if you're gay, and none of us wants any of our DC to have a complicated life. I am speaking from personal experience with my own DC here, btw. One of them is not straight, and I do worry about any possible fallout that might descend on said DC's head.

No concerns about Christianity Chipstick? Do all Christians tolerate homosexuality?
MOST Christians in the UK couldn't give a damn. The last groundsman at the church I sometimes go to was gay. The vicar knew, and used to have him in for coffee once a week to chat about the flowerbeds. I should think the entire congregation knew. I never heard a single negative comment.
Even the Christians who think homosexuality is a sin are often very conflicted about it and would never treat a gay person badly.

And might I refer you to this map here: countries where gay sex is illegal.

MariscallRoad · 05/02/2016 15:16

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Offences_Act_1967