Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part VIII

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januarybrown1998 I emailed my MP (Labour) and sent her both Early Day Motion and Petition. She is a Shadow minister as well. Her office says in 14 days she will reply. thanks for your post in the previous thread, you are right, no, nobody knows.

DeeEm There is always ECHR.

This is the problem, the Police and governments cannot adequately protect women but the law does not allow women to protect themselves

Back in the olden days when the Yorkshire Ripper was on the loose we were all advised to keep hairspray or an aerosol perfume at the top of our handbags as it would sting in the eyes but was not illegal (obviously not as good as pepper spray but I don't think that was invented back then

Let's live in hope the law will not be an ass as they will use some common sense in that girls case in view of the current situation

CalmYoBadSelf There are differences between EU countries and in some there is right to self-defence.

A can of hairspray is a good idea.

Pathetic! That poor girl.

I suspect that there will be an increase in people carrying weapons of all types as the years go on. This is not a good trend.

This is an interesting blog about the changes Sweden has been through and the educational, defence, economic and social impact of unfettered immigration.

www.express.co.uk/news/world/638181/Police-flee-angry-migrants-officers-attempt-rescue-chlid-rape-victim

The ten year old boy attack is horrific

I have just checked in very quickly and see two references to girls being attacked: the Danish girl with the pepper spray and the Russian-German girl. I do not understand why the authorities doubt the account of the Russian-German girl, but we will wait to see.

We live in Greater London. One of our daughters (13) went out with her father, he briefly stopped off at a newsagents and she walked on alone. She was accosted by two males (Pakistani, aged 17 we later were told) who thought she was alone, she was called a dirty white bitch and asked “do you want some, bitch?”, molested and pawed all over. When they saw my husband approaching rapidly, one of them drew a knife and tried to stab him. My husband put the attacker to the ground, and the other one was about to attack also with a knife but a passing motorist had seen all this unfold and tackled the other one, punching and throwing him to the ground. The attackers tried to persuade the police that it was they who had been attacked by two white men and were just defending themselves. They further tried it on by saying that my daughter had invited them over because they knew each other.

Police told us that they deal with countless similar events (not all as bad as our situation) because a lot of young Asian men of the Muslim faith, born in this country, have developed a hate for white people, females especially. Police are simply not allowed to inform the public because it would be seen as discrimination. They added that the hate has not come from their parents but more likely through online brainwashing. Those two were sent to jail.

It's not the first attack on a child. I wrote about the gang rape of a 3 year old boy a few weeks ago at a detention centre in Sweden.

I cannot begin to understand paedophilia - but I want to know how it happened, why a blind eye is turned. My ex was army and had been in prison - so "confined" with men in both cases. He said if there had been so much as a sniff of someone raping a child (or woman) in their room, the other men would've beaten them to death - not joined in. I'm saying this so that the "apologists" don't somehow twist this to be about male dominated environments and difficult living situations/stress.

www.express.co.uk/news/world/638323/Sweden-Stockholm-Olympic-Eriksdal-Baths-Police-Migrant-Sex-Attacks-Women

Police patrolling swimming pools in sweden

I hope the 10 year old boy wasn't just left there.

An update about the 13 year old Russian girl. Wow at the bolded bit.

German police accused of covering up the rape of a 13-year-old girl
GERMAN POLICE ARE investigating a man for allegedly sexually abusing a German-Russian teenager, whose claim she was kidnapped and raped by foreigners in Berlin was backed by Moscow yesterday.

Berlin police rejected the 13-year-old’s account last week.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov lent credence to the girl’s allegations saying: “We are now working with her lawyer. He is working with her family, with our embassy.”

Lavrov told reporters: “It is clear that the girl – absolutely for sure not voluntarily – disappeared for 30 hours.”

But Berlin’s prosecutors believe the girl had consensual sexual relations during that period, and said it might not have been the first time.

“She has clearly fallen into bad company,” Martin Steltner, a spokesman for Berlin’s prosecutor’s office, told the daily Berliner Zeitung.

He confirmed that one man was being investigated, while national news agency DPA said two suspects are being probed.

Sex with anyone under the age of 14, even if consensual, is a crime in Germany which is punishable by imprisonment.

The teenager, identified by Russian media as “Liza”, went missing in Berlin on January 11, reportedly on her way to school.

She subsequently returned and filed a police report, with her parents telling investigators she was kidnapped by three men at a railway station in eastern Berlin.

Veronica how horrific but sadly an increasing occurrence in Europe today. Another problem is when these criminals are sent to prison there is a great chance of being radicalised. I read an article yesterday about the large proportion of muslim males in British jails but sadly I cant find it now.

It makes me so angry that so many of these attacks are being covered up and these criminals are being protected, why are they being prioritised over females, it makes a joke of so called equality.

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Unfortunately the experiences of some of my family up in Yorkshire echo those of veronicabird. They are all second generation; born and bred here, with all the advantages that this gives over most places in the world. Most of the 07/07 bombers were born here, IIRC.

On a smaller but still significant scale, I have seen it myself - eg I went to london university. I come from an area with very few ethnic minorities; I couldn't care less where someone is from, but was excited to meet new people. The 2 muslim girls in my student flat were lovely. Their parents promptly wrote to the university to complain that their daughters were housed with white people and to demand they were put in muslim or Asian only flats. And in the meantime I saw first hand just how controlled those girls were - and they were girls who had been allowed to move to london and go to university. It's not fair to move here, to take advantage of everything the uk has to offer, but to teach your children to despise the natives and to think that our way of life is inferior. More recently, when I was heavily pregnant on a hot day, a group of fully hijab'd women looked me up and down at Westfield - and deliberately moved to deny me a seat so I had to stand rather than sit with them. I was white and wearing a short sleeved t-shirt; that was all they knew about me.

Although views like this are only a tiny minority, they are a loud and worrying one. Partly because of what they teach and how Wrong it is - and partly because of how it can skew perceptions and the media against the huge majority of lovely decent people.

Look what Trevor Philips is saying

"It's disrespectful to assume Muslim communities will change"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3418620/Muslims-not-like-just-accept-never-integrate-says-former-racial-equalities-chief-Trevor-Phillips.html

One word to say regards Russian girl in Germany ; Rotherham .
It's all,very sad .

Yes the Russian girl incident is similar to Rotherham
The girls would disappear for days
The social workers and other professionals thought it was consential

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3418820/Cologne-carnival-organisers-hand-leaflets-telling-migrants-not-rape-women-urinate-public-wake-New-Year-sex-attacks.html

Problem solved!

I don't recognise the picture of Sweden being painted by the British media. Sorry, but it just doesn't tally with my experience of living here at all. I take my DS swimmimg every week. I've never seen a police officer at the pool. Thinking about it, I've never seen anyone middle eastern or african looking either.

I see loads of men and women at the language school I go to and they are all very friendly and polite. There was a problem a few years ago with the very young adult males at the school who were really hostile and disrespectful but that seems to have been dealt with now.

This is the problem, the Police and governments cannot adequately protect women but the law does not allow women to protect themselves

and how many years will it take to build up a police force, knowledge, funding to deal with it in the UK?

Years and years so until that time, I dont want any girls/women put at un neccasry risk here thank you very much.

Merkel says " we will cope"

Yes the country will survive in the mean time just a few hundred girls thrown under the bus and families torn apart.

Does merkel have daughters?

I've never seen a police officer at the pool. Thinking about it, I've never seen anyone middle eastern or african looking either.

where abouts are you? are you in stockholm or any area where there is signifcant migrant activity?

Not sure what Trevor Phillips is getting at. The majority of people don't want normal moderate Muslims to change but equally they don't want to be told "You have to change to accomodate these people". Tolerance should go both ways with both parties respecting the others right to be different in some aspects (many we are the same, we all want home, family, job etc).

As an example:

My DH works in a very large warehouse, it has a very large spread of nationalities and faiths working there, in short it is like the united nations there and most of the time everyone gets on with it and tries to get through the day as best they can.

In the warehouse they have a prayer and reflection room which is meant to be a safe space for everyone (it can be used when someone is upset etc or needs space as from time to time they do). The devout Muslims use it for their prayers. Some other staff who are devout Christian and other faiths wanted to access it too, not necessarily at the same time as the muslim people but when they needed to as well.

The muslims were upset and wanted the room to be exclusively for their use, they were told it would be discriminatory to bar others from the room but they created such a fuss that in the end senior management said that it would be easier to let them have their way.

If anyone else has need they have to rely now on a meeting room being free (not often) or go outside to the smoking shelters or the canteen if it's open.

My point is that no one wanted them to change or stop what they were doing, but they did want everyone else to change what they were doing and for the needs of others to come below theirs.

No one wants muslim people to change necessarily, I don't, but I don't think it's fair that many others of different faiths and none should be asked to change radically.

I think we should be able to meet in the middle, a bit of change from both parties, I think we could all get along if we were all willing to try?

I live in the Göteborg region. We have significant migrant activity, as do most places. Our kommun has had to ask locals to open up their spare rooms to refugees, just like everywhere else. Various groups within my community are working bloody hard to integrate the refugees and to build a cohesive community.

I get the impression that the British media is determined to paint a picture of a society falling apart rather than one working hard to keep it all together. Why do they need the public to see Sweden fail so bad that they'll spin the truth like this?