Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part VIII

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My mum has just phoned me in tears after reading that 10 year old raped boy story. This is all so unbelievably distressing for so many people on a daily basis. The people who are minimising by arguing that we also have a rape problem are wrong to do so. We had made so much progression regarding rape, women's rights, sexism and patriarchy. This is different and, compared to that progress, definitely worse. Unarguably worse. For a start, so much work had been done to separate out the aggression of rape from 'it's only sex' aspect of it. Work had been done to separate out rape from the gender aspect (male rape is now legally recognised). So much work had been done around consent, sexual refusal and incapacitation. So much work had been done on judicial processes and the legal system. Do our laws even apply to the incidents involving migrants? If we allow an acceptance of Sharia law, will all our progress be lost?

Immigrants 'have to earn £35,000' to settle - from 2016 www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17204297

BTW, I'm not a trauma or PTSD denier. Obviously, if we deal with the 'whatever' supportive culture, then we won't have to deal with trauma or PTSD in the first place.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posttraumatic_stress_disorder#cite_note-168

That is the NHS
www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Post-traumatic-stress-disorder/Pages/Symptoms.aspx

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So Guernsey is getting the 'racist' fingerpointing is it? It is the last stance of the social justice warriors isn't it? Giving money is not enough, you must open your doors to all comers without questions or you are a racist.

the rape in Manchester was in the news today and the mothers of the criminals intimidating the parents of the rape victim in court.

where is their shame?

where is their shame?

Where is the law that punishes contempt of court? Where is the intimidating police presence that clearly underscores this behaviour is not acceptable in this county? Where are the condemnations in editorial or pieces to camera? Why are politicians or even the local MP silent on the subject?

Why is it incumbent on us, the people on this thread among a shamefully small number, to point at the emperor and say he is naked?

There will be a swift and overwhelming support for the first party, of whatever hitherto unpalatable hue, that agrees he is naked.

And that might not work out so well for some people.

"Saying "These rapes are done by a few bad individuals with mental problems and they are not all like that" means that we can focus all our efforts on these few unfortunates and never have to address the ideology that tells them it's fine to rape, "

Again, four this sounds right, I had not thought of it this way but it makes a lot of sense.

I am going to send Krisztina Morvai who raised the issue of gender-based violence by migrant men against European women an email thanking her for raising this and to express my support. maybe others would like to as well? this is her email, it was shown at the end of the video above.

[email protected]

on a different note, did you see the place was virtually empty, I wonder where all the MEPs and bureaucrats are.

There are some important top secret negotiations between the US and EU taking place behind closed doors at the moment regarding the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership TTIP.

The biggest US-EU free trade agreement in history is advancing behind closed doors. It is not really reported on strange.
an article form last year www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-biggest-us-eu-free-trade-agreement-in-history-is-advancing-behind-closed-doors-10189919.html
I believe Germany will vote on this in the print.

oh, and David Davies has responded to my email thanking me for including him in the email and asking to link to the video he made on the issue.

There is a FREE course online from Coursera.com run by Manchester University which explores critical questions and dilemas that appear on this thread that appear on this thread. The title is Global Health and Humanitarianism it also about refugees in war zones and access to humanitarian assistance but is much broader than that and lasts from 15 February to 1 April. It is flexible to follow and download lectures. See the syllabus here:
www.coursera.org/course/health

I have wondered about TTIP. The United States has already come out and said it doesn't want the UK to leave the EU. Probably purely because it's easier to negotiate with 28 European countries at once about TTIP than have to hash out separate deals. They will be applying major pressure to heads of state and EU leaders on this. A bunch of women making a fuss about sexual assault and causing Schengen and European unity to wobble probably doesn't suit them right now.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35503885
German judges have objected to a new court system for investors to sue governments, which would be set up as part of an EU-US trade deal.

How ignorant i feel. Of course, the EU wants to be one federal Europe. That's what they want, the political elite want to rule Europe as one. The TTip will tie us closer to the US, but not in any democratic, let's have some lovely pen pals way. Our lives will be ruled by cold business. It feels a bit like life as we know it is about to change (5-15 years) and for the first time the public have glimpsed it.

I found a lot of the things Claig has said interesting but strange and unrealistic as well. Now it does begin to make more sense. I wonder if cameron is being offered a role in the EU as part of his negotiations and if that could be quite attractive.

"A bunch of women making a fuss about sexual assault and causing Schengen and European unity to wobble probably doesn't suit them right now." yes, I can imagine them laughing at the fuss made about a few gropes.

emilybohemia

Would you please stop being so racist against the Japanese?

I wonder how many women will be put off reporting their rape after seeing how easy it is for the family of the alleged perpetrator to intimidate the victim and the victims family and get away with it.

I am inclined to agree with Britt's psychoanalyst friend as well. I think what will potentially happen eventually, when there are enough Muslim men settled in Western Europe who have different cultural attitudes to issues around women is that rather than 'our' men demanding that they change attitudes to adapt to our moral and social framework, we will be expected to adapt our behaviour as women because it will be perceived as easier to achieve. It will be a case of 'you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink, you can take the boy out of Algeria/Mrocco/Syria etc but you can't take (insert Islamic country of choice) out of the boy, etc.

When it becomes glaringly obvious that multiculturalism has failed yet again, but this time the numbers are less stacked in our favour, and an inability to integrate Muslim immigrants and change centuries of a backward mindset sufficiently quickly becomes apparent (and it will) I fear the path of least resistance will be taken.

In other words, although lip service will still be paid to teaching men not to rape, grope or pressure women for sex, women will be expected to take precautionary measures against being raped and groped by modifying what should be otherwise perfectly normal behaviour. . It will set us back at least fifty years.

Britt - you're talking bollocks about NHS eligibility for EU migrants - if you're a resident you're eligible and always have been - which means intention to stay long term and for registration at the GP for example you need to provide proof of residence. There was never a minimum amount of time you had to have been here first. (Which is lucky as I needed an appendectomy about 4 months after arrival, and that was more than a decade ago).

Anyway, the way the thread has been developing, with conspiracy theories, the new world order, general anti EU stuff, apologise for white supremacist terrorism, and the ongoing repetition that rape culture is just an islamic thing shows that it's never been about the women in Cologne. But just bog standard xenophobia.

Sorry if it's all been covered, but are Emily/widow sock-puppets?

badlybehaved I think 50 years may be a conservative estimate - and another agreement from me. It will be women who shouldn't go out alone, should dress demurely, not make eye contact as though we're living in.... Oh.

i don't know Widow. I lived in England for 5 years before I needed to access NHS services. I hold another EU passport and up until then had my routine medical and dentist appointments when visiting my home country. At the time I was a final year student but had already worked full- and part-time for 5 years. When I found a GP who was willing to see me due to a horrific flue (this was in London, my flatmates and friends were away on holiday and my boyfriend had just broken up with me --- self-pitty) the receptionist demanded to see proof that I had been a 'proper' resident for more than 6 months. I was pretty delirious with a high-temperature, took a cab to the GP and remember sorting my uni papers, bank statements and NI documents with the receptionist for over half an hour before she finally allowed me to register with the surgery. This makes me think that there used to be a rule that you had to live here for at least 6 months, but I can't be sure.

On an utter side note (will probably out me to friends who know this story). This was a small one woman GP surgery. It was my first contact with the NHS and I was astonished to find several cats of various colours walking around in the waiting room, a couple of cats were sleeping on chairs, among waiting patients I don't believe I was hallucinating. When I was finally called in by the female GP, she had two huge dogs in the surgery room! I was asked to sit on the bed (?) so she could examine my chest. One of the dogs, maybe a labrador sat next to the doctor looking at us whilst she was doing her thing with the stethoscope, the other made itself comfortable under her desk. It was all very novel and did wonder if i had registered with a vet.

Widow I work broadly in the fields being discussed here. Have you any idea how bad life is for Muslim women? The only ones who do well are the ones who are non ex-Muslims/ left Islam. Have you any idea that until relatively recently, western women were in similar positions to where Muslim women are - how can a husband rape a wife, men have a biological sex drive that needs attending to, women are the gatekeepers of men's sexuality, men can't be raped, women are biologically programmed to stay home and look after children. The best things I ever did were to get an education and get a job. My bodily integrity, my rights, my life are all protected by law. Where do you think our laws come from? They don't just write themselves or are written by god. It has taken centuries to get to this point amid enormous resistance. Sharia law laughs at marital rape, does not recognise child abuse, does not recognise male rape, etc.. We are not xenophobic. We are scared, not only for ourselves but for our children.

This is what scares me about the regressive left: their determination to tar everyone who doesn't toe their ideological line with the same brush.

8000 posts, dozens of participants (including Muslim and ex-Muslim women) from many shades of political opinion, genuine anger and concern about the misogynist phenomenon of taharrush gamea (mass punishment rape) being used against hundreds of women in Germany: all this ignored, in order to focus on a few xenophobic posts and the eventual appearance on the final threads of a handful of the inevitable conspiracy theorists/xenophobes.

In the looking-glass logic used by too many of the regressive left, the tactic of deliberately ignoring thousands of posts somehow 'proves' that the threads were "never" about anything but xenophobia. Stick everyone who disagrees with you, over a wide range of opinion, in the same tiny box and shut the lid. Just another form of bigotry.

I'm still confused as to why britt's fact about japan made her a horrible person?

vladimir I think you are right. My DH came here around 20 years ago from another European country and he did have to be here around 6 months and then he had to formally apply to be considered habitually resident which then meant he could apply for unemployment benefit, health care etc. Until then he was selling big issue (complicated situation as he'd only come for a holiday and ended up staying due to birth of DSS). I think it must have changed but it certainly was like that back then.

I think it is becoming accepted now that what happened in Cologne and other cities was real and has opened up for debate certain attitudes held in certain communities. Like I've said before I live in a majority Muslim community (I am not muslim!) and while we all do rub along ok for the most part it there are some points that we differ on. For example I am greeted with incredulity when I say I work by some of the ladies. Also we have to accept that DS is not invited to very many birthday parties (just 2 per year, from non muslim children) and that his invites to others will not be accepted (because apparently you can catch white and aethiest!).

Whilst I accept there are differences in ways of doing things, we have to work out how far things need to meet in the middle. I don't think multiculturalism has failed as a whole because there are other cultures and religions who have slotted into our countries/Europe without too many issues and it is unfair to view it as a failure due to just one group being harder to integrate.