Mass sexual assaults in Cologne on New Years Eve Part II

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Just in case people want to continue discussing this.

Goodness, you are up for fisticuffs. No I don't mean just agree. But coming in guns ablazing to what has been a respectful and intelligent thread, is well, just a little hairy. There are some very interesting posters here; take time, you don't have to 'win' this argument, in fact it's better that noone does

The Liverpool thing was apparently a scare after a 74 year old man had an argument about a boat insurance policy.

The problem is that even with the Internet there is still a delay, someone further up thread mentioned about Sweden and that the only stuff they could find is by 'right wing' media so automatically discounted it, obviously you do have be sceptical but you do have to understand that both sides (left/right) are pushing an agenda, the guardian etc are just as guilty of ramping stories and whipping up a socail media storm only to get there fingers burnt and move on (the initial Rotherham investigation was one) just the same as the 'right' jump onto any small mugging and try and extrapolate it to everyone as an example.

I'm not sure where totally I'm going with this but there are comments out there and reports of Sweden etc that are not just right wing trolling the same as though when people are saying they are concerned about a backlash in Germany they mean a bigger backlash than a group of neo nazis smashing in the houses of recent refugees, in between there is a balance and as others have said the right do unfortunetly have the upper hand in this even if it is just 'I told you so scenario', it may not be strictly PC but the regressive left has shaped public discourse and until recently calling someone racist was enough to shut down any further discussion.

I'm also amazed personally by the amount of people who apparently are life long guardian readers who are unaware that closing of comments on specific subjects is a new thing.

SmallEggs : in Germany the police said the evening had passed rather well! Mainstream media did not report anything amiss.

It was social Media that showed that up to be a misrepresentation.

Goodness, you are up for fisticuffs. No I don't mean just agree. But coming in guns ablazing to what has been a respectful and intelligent thread, is well, just a little hairy. There are some very interesting posters here; take time, you don't have to 'win' this argument, in fact it's better that noone does

Gosh, you're rather snide.

wildewoman she is rather fierce at times, she'll make a good mumsnetter one day.
Thanks for that link. Her favourite story is how Grainne escaped doing that dance and throwing someone out of a window, I can't remember the details now.

I have two little girls and I am so scared for their future and MAD AS HELL at all those stupid people campaigning for these migrants to be brought into Britain. I said to my DH at the time this would happen and couldn't believe WOMEN on this site were saying they would take them into their homes!! Well now my daughters and all girls and women are at risk thanks to stupid, stupid people!

Tbh that manipulation of information by authorities and their subsequent efforts (Mayor's arms length advice) and the implications for women in the future, is bigger than the story of a breakdown in law and order in Cologne.

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Sonya I am aware of that. That was misreporting by the police. That too was teported on the beeb.. The papers may have been quiet but there have been reports on the bbc for days. It may not have been reported well in the papers but it has been in every bulletin on r4.

However, as much as you may find the truth on the internet there is also a lot of totally uncurated bollocls there too crf some of the links on this thread.

Sonya: there was reports online news outlets on the first, I agree socail media did help but there wasn't some blanket whitewash.

Some people may see some of those media outlets as right wing because they where local, and it did take a while for the reports to come through what with it being a national holiday etc (not trying to minimise)

I often don't read comments and just read the news. Assuming the news is there obviously! I found watching the comments appear and then disappear takes a crazy chunk of time!

No I get the bit about it being a holiday.

Smalls yes I know.

I promise that information WAS easier to supression pre internet. As I referenced earlier Hillsborough was a massive example of that.

The problem for me is I do want to stand up for women. Here and in more repressive countries. Indeed I believe the education and liberation of women and the reeducation of men is key to solving many of these conflicts.

I am appalled at what happened in Cologne. I am prepared to talk about it evem if it is uncomfortable.

But I absolutely in no way want to be associated with some of the views on this thread e.g. TheseBedroomWalls.

Comments like those imo make this issue harder to discuss and more likely to be swept under the carpet.

Supress of course.

Tbh I think I filter what I consider to be utter nonsense. Age has given me that I believe. I don't recall that poster!

But I absolutely in no way want to be associated with some of the views on this thread e.g. TheseBedroomWalls

Comments like those imo make this issue harder to discuss and more likely to be swept under the carpet.

YY and this is the polarisation that one is caught between.

Small
this thread has been supporting women since it started. It has not been racist. Now that it is established, there will be those who come to destroy it. Sadly, that's the way of it.

So don't associate your views with those you hate. Stay and make your voice heard here. This is a thread for protecting women, regardless of the perpetrator.

Not sure I can explain this very well but I am wondering what - if anything - British Muslim women could do...the ones who have got and appreciate they have more freedom and rights than those in a lot of ME countries...
Both for education and integration of these young men - although actually I not sure a woman's opinion would carry any weight....
An illustration that it is not Islam under fire - it is the misogynistic interpretation found in some cultures that is unacceptable...

And I said in a pp that I agree - I think we should restrict male activity/freedom because that would have the same effect as advising women not to venture out at night -help ensure women's safety equally well. But send home the message to these men that it is their rights that will be curtailed by their actions. (And I know a lot of 'innocent' men will be effected - but then ALL the women inconvenienced by this advice are innocent...)

'But I absolutely in no way want to be associated with some of the views on this thread e.g. TheseBedroomWalls.'

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs, everyone is entitled to their views. No one's views are more valid than anyone else's. It is about free expression and not silencing others. You are not associated with TheseBedroomWalls but she has every right to say what she thinks in a free country. She is not being racist, she has just stated what she thinks.

Being in a discussion with someone is not being in anyway associated with them, you have to tackle the extremes at both ends and either write them of or ignore.

We can't back out of discussion because of who is involved. (Although I don't know what the poster you cite specifically wrote)

And one of the driving factors as to why this has gained traction is because of 4chan brigading the shit out of reddit etc the localised reports from the 1st.

TBF Claig anyone saying of NYE's events that 'I knew [months ago] that this would happen', isn't merely expressing a view; They are stretching credulity.

Small eggs , Just seen the post. I see an upset person. And although not makes me a bit uncomfortable to say so you tbh you were rather rude!