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Mass sexual assaults in Cologne on New Years Eve Part II

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Pinkchampchoccies · 07/01/2016 19:35

Just in case people want to continue discussing this.

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Constancegardner · 09/01/2016 18:29

Isn't there an election for London Mayor this year? Not in London myself.

Cellardoor1 · 09/01/2016 18:29

Gingercat it's terrifying isn't it? And how come yet again, it is only being reported days after the incident? Angry

YesEinsteinsMumDid · 09/01/2016 18:30

LumelaMme I would be interested in seeing that letter and I suspect there are others who are also mostly lurking so if you would be so kind as to post it, it would be appreciated.

GeekLove · 09/01/2016 18:30

I'll be sharing this thread on FB since it seems to have sunk from the mainstream news shockingly quickly.

I hope that some good will come out of this in that some people will find they have to examine their own attitudes to their culture and how they see women.

It's all very well championing the rights of minorities but it is no good if many in those minorities do not return the favour. If you want the benefits of Western society, you also have to respect the rights of women.

shins · 09/01/2016 18:34

www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article150798244/Hunderte-sollen-Bielefelder-Disco-attackiert-haben.html

This is awful. No way is any of this random. And the response has been pathetic.

gingercat12 · 09/01/2016 18:36

Cellardoor I hope this piece of news is not true, because it is too scary.

I'd love to write to my MP and MEP as well, please.

shins · 09/01/2016 18:38

It's reported in Die Welt which is pretty reputable.

LumelaMme · 09/01/2016 18:38

Okay, people, here it is. Feel free to edit as you please.I hope you find it helpful

Women’s Rights and Immigration
As you will be aware, on New Year’s Eve in Cologne over a hundred women were sexually assaulted or robbed (or both) by a crowd of about 1,000 men, described as being of North African or Middle Eastern ethnicity. Similar things happened, on a smaller scale, in other German cities, in Helsinki and perhaps in Austria: the reports are varied.

That is, of course, part of what makes this whole story so concerning: that the press coverage and the political response have been so halting and uncertain that it is very difficult to establish exactly what happened. I can only assume that this is because nobody wants to be accused of being a racist – but if nobody in mainstream politics discusses this issue, it becomes even more of a gift to the far Right.

It is a huge issue. It’s part of the cultural clash between some immigrants and liberal western society, a clash that doesn’t only affect women, and which it is evident that we need to tackle. It worries me that this is such a problem in mainland Europe already, and I’m concerned that if we just sit back, it will become a problem here as well.

What happened in Cologne is appalling, and the press and political response is too. Women’s rights are put behind immigrant rights, and that just isn’t good enough. I want to know that my country, and other countries in Europe, can play their part in resolving the refugee crisis without my rights, my daughters’ rights, my friends’ rights, being downplayed or debased. If immigrants come from countries where women are subjugated – like many of those in the Islamic world, where the refugee crisis is centred – they must be made aware that things are different in Europe. As I understand it, immigrants who obtain citizenship in other European countries are then free to come here under current European laws. How long before something like Cologne’s New Year happens here?

I would like to ask you to tackle this issue head on, to raise it rather letting it be ignored or minimised. We need, as a country, to have an open debate about this issue, to establish that women’s rights are a key part of our culture. The solution is not, as women in Austria have been advised to do, to remain indoors at night. The solution is to bring this issue right into the open, and insist that our social norms and expectations are not diluted.

I hope to hear from you.

gingercat12 · 09/01/2016 18:40

Shall we email or post? It sounds fab!!!

GeekLove · 09/01/2016 18:42

LumelaMme Could I pinch some of your post for an Mps letter?

hefzi · 09/01/2016 18:44

Liesel we may have the EU referendum before then... but otherwise, no: I just hope though, that people don't forget as quickly as they did with the Iraq War.

LumelaMme · 09/01/2016 18:46

I'm posting mine, but I think email would also be fine. If someone who knows about The Modern MP could let us know if letters carry more weight than emails, that would help!

Geek, you can pinch any or all of it. That's what it's there for.
Thanks, Ginger. Smile

YesEinsteinsMumDid · 09/01/2016 18:46

Thanks LumelaMme Flowers

polentapies · 09/01/2016 18:47

Brilliant LumelaMme !

Destinysdaughter · 09/01/2016 18:48

onthephone thanks for posting that article, it was a thorough and well considered piece. What to do though...?

hiddenhome2 · 09/01/2016 18:48

I hope we leave the EU.

I don't want crazy Frau Merkel making any more decisions that could place us in danger Hmm

Justanotherlurker · 09/01/2016 18:49

Anyone doing a third thread or have we run its course?

YesEinsteinsMumDid · 09/01/2016 18:51

I have a very nasty feeling that there is more to be fully disclosed. A new thread even if it doesn't get filled might be an idea?

Destinysdaughter · 09/01/2016 18:53

I think this will go on and on. Definitely need a third thread!

unlucky83 · 09/01/2016 18:55

I think we need a new thread to gather together all the ideas we have and decide on a coordinated action ...in fact maybe invite more ideas
So far we have
Write to MPs/MEPs
A Facebook thing - have I missed it? I know what was decided on but have we got a template? An overlay?
Twitter hashtags (I don't understand twitter)
Anything else we can do?

Frankfurterwuerstchen · 09/01/2016 18:57

I have done something I thought I would never have to do - bought pepper spray. I have lived in Germany for 14 years and not once felt this afraid and frightened. We have a refugee camp opening at the end of our road in a couple of weeks and I am dreading what is going to happen. Why should we have to fear going out of the house? Police need to be prepared to use water canons and tear gas against perpetrators should another mass sexual assault take place. They were quick enough to use water canons to break up the Pegida demo in Cologne today yet appeared powerless on NYE.

HelpTheAnimalsFirst · 09/01/2016 19:00

Here is a short LBC podcast between Iain Dale and Katie Hopkins. Dale just does not get it - hope he has now. He does not seem to understand that once women are sufficiently suppressed, attention will be given to gay men like himself.

www.lbc.co.uk/katie-hopkins-is-taken-to-task-by-iain-dale-122734

KERALA1 · 09/01/2016 19:08

At least 379 cases now filed from NYE in Cologne.

Deborah Orr wtf? Waffley nonsense. Usually a fan of hers this week was utter drivel.

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