Mass sexual assaults in Cologne on New Years Eve Part II

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Just in case people want to continue discussing this.

noeffingidea Yes, I often come back to the Nigerian girls who were taken as well. I do believe that this is a global war on women and children. I just wish I wasn't so powerless. That just fuels the despair.

I've seen people set up campaigns before where the following happens:

Somebody writes a coherent email which outlines 'our' greivances, and puts forward questions and ideally some suggestions.
Everybody who wants to, then either A: looks up their local government politicians and representatives (of ALL parties) and emails them the same email.

It's much like a petition, but is moreso opening the discussion. Some of the MPs etc. respond. Some ignore. But somebody somewhere eventually brings it up in parliament.

It has worked before.

Forgot B: emails ALL UK politicians (there's usually some genius who can find a copy and paste list of all their email addresses).

claig "It is basically about population control. You have to realise that divide and conquer is used and lots of these Neo-Nazi groups or other groups etc are controlled and are part of the divide and conquer strategy i.e. lots of organisations are not for real and are used to further destabilisation and an agenda."

I understand divide & conquer, but how would pop control be achieved?

Just to go back to Sweden and the rise in rapes there, how has everyday Swedish society changed, if at all, although I'm sure it must have.

Do women still feel able to go out unaccompanied or are their freedoms, by default almost, curtailed?
How has it been covered by Swedish media?
I was not one of those who thought vast amounts of refugees should just be allowed into Europe with very little forethought or planning, seemed like an ideal way to bring in terrorists to me.
Although to express doubts at the time earned you various labels such as callous, racist etc. A lot of people such as people traffickers have made a lot of money out of misery, I guess you have all seen the fake life jackets on the news the other day. Germany's actions have done no one any favours. As I read somewhere else a few months back, Germany is destroying Europe again.

I've read some of the exchanges between Gadaffi and Blair. Gadaffi was killed by his captors (not by firestrike), who were jihadis, with a knife to the anus and elsewhere on the body.

Have we any consensus on immigration? Curtail it? Stop it?

Have we any consensus on proposals to integrate immigrants into European culture?

I know we are obliged to accept asylum seekers in valid cases. But, if an asylum seeker is a likely threat to our way of life, can or should they be denied entry?

What the hell do we do? Apart from keeping our noses out of their business in the first place!!!

We're stuck between a rock and a hard place I think. On the one hand we need to try to defeat ISIS, but on the other hand, in our attempts to do so, we are both fanning the flames of extremism and creating a mass migration crisis.

It's hard to see a way out of this mess!

Constancegardner "to express doubts at the time earned you various labels such as callous, racist etc."

I know what you mean, like on here!

Constance I've been googling the Swedish situation, and it seems that most of the "rape has rocketed" stories are on far-right websites. The more balanced reports point out that it is mostly an artefact of two things (both of which are to Sweden's credit): reporting rapes accurately (rather than not bothering to record them, or "no-criming" them as is often done in this country); and recording each instance separately rather than lumping all rapes (for instance repeated rape within marriage) by the same perpetrator on the same victim as one crime. There also seems to be some conflation of "rape provably carried out by recent immigrant" with "recent immigrant investigated by the police".

Now comes the tricky part in my internet digging. One of the more reputable looking articles in my search is this one in the Guardian from 2010 But if this thread has illustrated anything, it is that the Guardian is not beyond covering up/massaging statistics in pursuit of its political agenda. So one of the problems is that thanks to their response to these attacks, I no longer feel as though I can trust the mainstream media (and I think the far right, or for that matter, far left blogosphere is almost the epitome of untrustworthiness). So I'm not sure where one gets unbiased reporting any more. Maybe the American press, because they are sufficiently distant? The Washington Post's coverage seems to have been pretty fair so far. The more reputable end of the right wing press? The Telegraph's coverage to date seems to have been okay (and I say this as a right-on pinko lefty who is in despair at the bias in the Guardian).

Oh, btw - here's a website which gives a list of MPs.

www.parliament.uk/get-involved/contact-your-mp/

I don't very often agree with Cameron but I think he did the right thing by only bringing refugees from Syrian camps, maybe if Merkel had done the same thing a lot of trouble would have been avoided and more people saved.

Yes, Moreshabby - I remember saying back when Cameron made the announcement that it was about the only thing he's ever done that I've agreed with.

Thanks Lurcio. I too am distrustful of much media, always feel manipulated.
The Guardian agenda is to make native Brits feel bad about everything, it's all our fault, everything, everywhere, even though despite our privileged position we have very little control over our own Governments. A vote every five years is not particularly democratic. Yes, we can write letters and sign petitions but I heard an edition of Moral Maze a while ago and a well known ex-politician sneering at people who do such things, yet what else can we do? Writing letters and voting twice a decade, the dogs barks but the caravan rolls on.

when our generals say that they could sort it out in two weeks with tanks and troops to finish the DJs off.
a) Is there a link to any general saying this?
b) Generals and politicians do rather have a habit of saying it will be all be over within 2 months/by Christmas. The Malayan Emergency was supposed to take a few months. 9 years later, they were still at it.

Incidentally, there was an Irish journo a few months back who proposed that we should set up asylum application centres IN Syria (and whereever else). His idea was that they would be processed prior to having to take the dangerous sea journey. Basically, they'd know before undertaking the journey whether they'd get in or not.

Regarding Claig's theory:

I do understand bits of the thinking behind it such as if you have people who are ethnically and culturally super diverse through birth they might feel less strongly about aspects of their heritage as their heritage becomes diluted. Therefore they may be more accepting of any leadership that is presented to them.

On the other hand, people who have diverse cultural backgrounds and are able to speak various languages are able to tap into different resources which can be an advantage. Being culturally and ethnically diverse can be empowering in a society which is tolerant of diversity.

Also, who in actual fact is gong to enter relationships and have children with all these displaced me? I would have thought that many will not marry, especially if their chat up lines include "Big tits", "I want to fuck" and "I will kill you". Unless they marry within their own culture.

'but how would pop control be achieved?'

That is the shocking part. They won't be liberal when they get full global governance and the people voting for national parliaments will then find out how powerless their political classes will be.

'Gadaffi was killed by his captors (not by firestrike), who were jihadis'

Yes and remember Hillary Clinton's laugh when she said "we came, we saw, he died". It will all come out in the US election. Trump yesterday released his ad on Hillary and on Bill's behaviour and there will be much more to come from Trump because the one thing he isn't is politically correct.

WildeWoman If you are talking about integrating immigrants from thoroughly male-dominated societies, then it cannot be done. The attitude and beliefs continue to be reinforced wherever they migrate to, and the reason is because they believe their way of life is superior. It's "superior" only because it suits the men, but as they are the ones who conduct family business that view will remain.

It's difficult because personally-held view on women are reinforced to them by culture and religion (some are religious, not all). What might begin to tear away a small number from imposing strict codes on their daughters and not their sons, is if a man has only daughters. Looking to the future he might agree that it would be better if the girls studied for a profession rather than marrying early. If so, then this seems to be the the beginnings for girls to participate fully in life, meet different types of people and gain a different perspective on the infidel.

That seems to have been the route for young women who come from a strict, traditional immigrant family in my part of London.

"I don't very often agree with Cameron but I think he did the right thing by only bringing refugees from Syrian camps, maybe if Merkel had done the same thing a lot of trouble would have been avoided and more people saved."

Interesting. Why is this preferable?

Thanks ego for posting the quotes from the Guardian article. I have the most almighty rage so can't bring myself to go there or comment on it right now.

How fucking dare they minimise this with mealy mouthed apologist shit about being able to afford smart phones. I'll make sure next time I get raped that if it's someone on a lower socioeconomic level I'm suitably grateful!

It makes me so angry that so many young, fit men are roaming aimlessly around Europe committing crimes while little children and women are eating cats and dogs and leaves to stay alive.

'Is there a link to any general saying this?'

'We can WIPE evil ISIS off the map in 14 DAYS: British generals bullish message to Cameron

A FULL-SCALE ground offensive in Syria using tanks and infantry would wipe Islamic State off the map in less than three weeks, according to senior generals.'

www.express.co.uk/news/world/621154/Islamic-State-British-generals-14-days-David-Cameron-terror

The DJs are not all they are cracked up to be by the media. The Russians have hit their finances and damaged them more in a matter of weeks than the Americans did in a year. It can be done, as our generals said.

claig it does sound a lot like the article that pink linked to earlier.

About the only good thing about that Guardian article is that I think the mods on the site are now just swamped by the sheer volume - if they deleted every post which said "you disingenuous bunch of shitty cover up merchants who don't give a shit about women's rights", there would be no comments left at all, barring the five sycophantic editor's picks (and the rest of the comments have said "why are you only picking the tiny minority which say 'this article is great'?") I think it's got to the stage where they can't delete the posts not towing the party line, because there's well over 2.5K of comments now, and they'd have to delete, oooh, about 24995 of those, which would be a bit blatant even by the current (low) editorial standards of the Guardian.

Thanks, claig.

There's still (b) though: these things always take longer than you think. Sorting out ongoing guerrilla warfare is very difficult.