Mass sexual assaults in Cologne on New Years Eve Part II

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Just in case people want to continue discussing this.

If you want me silenced A tad dramatic, no? You keep on calling us racists when this thread is about the very fact that fear of being accused of racism is silencing women and, as a result of this, making them less safe. If you don't get that you really should find another place to enlighten people with your cries of racist. I suggest the Daily mail, that would do.

Luna attitudes like yours are the very reason why the incident in cologne is being played down. And one last time, Islam is NOT a race. Stop with this racism nonsense.

Das Bundesinnenministerium bestätigte am Freitag (08.01.2015), dass unter den bislang ermittelten Tatverdächtigen auch Flüchtlinge sind. Die Bundespolizei erfasste an Silvester am Kölner Hauptbahnhof 31 Tatverdächtige, darunter waren 29 Ausländer: Neben den beiden Deutschen wurden neun algerische, acht marokkanische, vier syrische, fünf iranische, ein irakischer, ein serbischer und ein US-amerikanischer Tatverdächtiger ermittelt. Insgesamt sollen 18 von ihnen Asylbewerber sein.

For non German speakers, 31 suspects, 9 Algerian, 8 Morroccan, 4 Syrian, 5 Iranian, 1 Iraqi, 1 Serb and an American.

Some were refugees, and some refugees from other cities came to cologne that night to join the crowd.

Have read much of this and the previous thread but not all pages. Has anyone called for a Mumsnet campaign? To bring legislation against sexual crime up to to date for the 21st century (as we understand it), for a start, across the EU.

There have been several posts alleging that under German law if a woman is groped and she slaps the offender, she would be the one persecuted because there is no legislation against groping; that rape is not rape even if the victim says no unless she fights back, etc.

Can't Mumsnet campaign with the European Parliament and the European Commission to raise this? Can't Mumsnet campaign with the UK government to raise this in the European Council?

I also wonder if Mumsnet could use its clout to shame the media for its inadequate handling of the issue (see all the comments about the Guardian upthread).

There was a campaign to press on the government to allow in more refugees. Can't we also campaign for women's rights not to be considered a secondary, tertiary etc issue?

UBIK Exactly right. My fear is that nobody is prepared to do the enforcing of the Law, or to call into account those who are not enforcing the Law. It was too late to enforce the law in Rotherham and Derby for those girls were still abused and were not listened to. What are we going to do about this? How can you assimilate people into communities when their parents and elders are telling them that the laws of their religion are above manmade laws, and if they are brought up from birth to believe that women need to be covered up from head to foot because their sexual urges are so strong that they cannot resist seeing a bit of female flesh? Or that a woman who doesnt cover herself is 'immodest' at best and a whore at worst? And then they go to university and people are allowed in that tell them this as well? Sorry I am furious, feel powerless and inarticulate.

Then, for an inquiry into the impact of the gender ratio becoming skewed in our societies (see the Politico article linked earlier). Then, for prioritising education on women's rights, healthy relationships between genders etc in our schools (preferably also delivered by male teachers). Etc.

Cohesion is about the majority of a nation being on the same page, with similar values & behaviour, similar outlook on life, and cooperation. The ME countries achieve this though by wrong oppressive methods.

Can luna answer why Malmo figures for rape and sex assault by immigrants from predominantly muslim countries is so high?

And training the police accordingly.

Everyone has the right to a peaceful family life. I fully support those fleeing war torn countries to find a better life for their families.

But I will not support a policy whose direct result is that neither I nor my daughters are safe on the streets of the city where we live.

Therefore, I no longer support Germany's policy on migrants.

It was a terrorist hate crime against women.

Unfortunately, The Times has a paywall, but yesterday they did a two page spread on all this and led with it in their editorial section.

It's odd, I like The Times. It's owned by Rupert Murdoc whose Fox News has damn near destroyed American imho. Meanwhile, I can't stomach The Guardian. I have no idea how newspapers really work.

Less we forget there's plenty of white "Cristian" pedophiles gangs in fact ensconced in Asian countries. Paying for sex with children in places where poverty is an issue.

Yes absolutely it looks from all the reports I've seen like it was an organised terrorist attack on women.

I think it was an attack on western values, and it was also an attack on those refugees fleeing to the west, as it would necessarily close the minds of those who previously welcomed and supported the refugees.

As it has mine.

Luna I am the same as Tatyana. British but not English. Racially, I am closer to the perpetrators than to Europeans. I am free to wear what I want and go where I want. People like us will suffer more if this is not under control. Do you really think that these men will look at Asian women who are not covered up and think 'fair enough'? they arent fair game? of course not! We will be treated more badly because we will be seen as 'westernised'. I dont want to fight for rights I thought were won years ago, that were part of the reason my parents came here. I am just as angry at the press for their conspiracy of silence.

And those white paedophiles are arrested and sentenced, when they are found.

Unlike those Arab men, who are positively supported by their culture.

It's going to be discussed shortly on radio 4 on the World at One.

Batshit Yes, there are paedohiles of every race, and the paedophile gangs in SE Asia need to be dealt with. The Guardian doesnt put out apologist pieces about them though, does it? If they are caught, they feel the full force of the law, and it is reported in the news.

Yes Pere these are good suggestions

I just took a short walk and feel a little calmer. I want to engage with Luna constructively, if possible, not have a bun fight.

Luna here are my thoughts on your cries of "racist!":

I don't want to give away too much about me but I am mixed 'heritage' with dm from one ethnic group and df from a very different one. I was raised in a 'humanist' fashion and believe that all humans should be able to live in dignity.

Maybe the fact that I am ethnically 'mixed' and had access to different cultures whilst growing up makes me less interested in the topic of 'race' because I don't belong to any one race or ethnicity?

But I do belong to the female gender / sex and I don't want my our my dd's (whose father belongs to a third and distinct ethnicity) orifices penetrated without my or their explicit consent. If there is a danger of this happening as there is in Cologne and possibly elsewhere I want to be able to speak about it freely and find solutions. I do not wish to be censored by cries of "racist, racist" because i am not a racist i do not judge, stereotype or act badly towards people of any 'race' or ethnicity.

I know for a fact that people in the ME are extremely racist in the truest sense of the term. It is culturally quite acceptable to despise black people and white people, there is no political correctness there.

In a way, the attacks on the women in cologne can be described as racist attacks, couldn't they? They sought out German (white?) women to assault.

Calling white paedophiles operating in Asia 'Christian', even in inverted commas, seems to be stretching a point when I very much doubt that 95% of them ever set foot in a church.

Article in today's Daily Mail by Nazir Afzal

"As the song says, it’s raining men. But it is no cause for hallelujahs. Far from it — the influx of young, male migrants from the Middle East and North Africa risks tipping the whole balance of European society.

A disproportionate majority of the immigrants from Syria, Iraq and Libya are unmarried young men, many of them under 18, travelling without family members.
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People have not wanted to talk about this, but we have here a recipe for disaster. When more and more unaccompanied teenage males upset the sex ratio balance, insurmountable problems are created. As a former Chief Prosecutor for the Crown Prosecution Service, I have been warning for a long time that people bring cultural baggage with them from their old lives into their new environment.
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And sadly, because of political correctness, and because some individuals and institutions are scared of seeming racist, we allow terrible abuses to happen in plain sight.

To the fury of many Germans, it has emerged that it took three days for the Cologne assaults to be taken seriously by the police, and initially they were largely ignored by the German news media.

In Britain, too, several predatory, mainly Asian, grooming gangs who targeted white girls in towns such as Rotherham were allowed to continue for years while the authorities hesitated to bring them to book."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3389734/Why-Britain-worried-flood-young-male-migrants-Leader-lawyer-s-son-immigrants-gives-stark-warning.html

If groping or similar is not considered sexual assault in Germany, would it be safe to assume that the number of incidents of what we would define as sexual assault here, is actually much higher than the reported numbers?

regenerationfez I think you're right about the far right groups, though it would be more bearable living with them than belonging to a member of Isis.
Which is why the authorities have to get it under control as quickly as possible, before a vaccuum forms for the neonazis step in.

I wonder if this is a breach of their asylum application and that they will be returned from whence they came? Lets hope so.

I can't see how there won't be a resurgence of the far right now in Germany. It's always there anyway, bubbling under the surface.

Evilcherub returning two or three on the day you let in 100 more isn't going to make any difference.