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Oxford University denies that UKIP candidate Natasha Bolter ever attended Oxford

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claig · 10/12/2014 17:51

"Natasha Bolter: Oxford University deny sex scandal Ukip candidate ever attended"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11285916/Natasha-Bolter-Oxford-University-deny-sex-scandal-Ukip-candidate-ever-attended.html

Roger Bird, who is a PPE, introduced Natasha Bolter as having defected from Labour and being a PPE too.

I saw her interviewed on BBC Newsnight last night, and I did begin to wonder about Oxford and PPEs. I'm not a big fan of PPEs at the best of times, but Gordon Bennett, I thought to myself.

What's going on?

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claig · 11/12/2014 14:13

'Claig since you are so passionate about UKIP, why don't you stand as a candidate yourself...?'

Because I am just an ordinary person. But if they introduce any more minimum alcohol pricing laws or £100 bin fines and political correctness and if they try to ruin UKIP with their Establishment backed Bright Purple PPEs and ex-Tories, then they might just wind me up enough that I have to stand and defend the people. Wink

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Hakluyt · 11/12/2014 14:15

You do know, Claig, that you are quite, quite mad...........

claig · 11/12/2014 14:17

I'm in Essex. They called the people of Clacton "the left behind" and said they "belonged to the past". I'm in central Essex, down the road from the great people of Clacton. If they start saying I "belong to the past" too, I might have to join the People's Army too.

'since you are so passionate about UKIP'

I'm passionaye about our country and the people. I've got no time for Roger Bird, PPE, and the bigwigs of UKIP. I am just like everyone else, I have had enough of our country being ruined.

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claig · 11/12/2014 14:22

"Too fat for surgery: Patients refused treatment unless they change their lifestyles
NHS refuses 'undeserving' patients vital treatment in move branded 'discriminatory'
Hip and knee replacements and even IVF among treatments being 'rationed'
Health Service trusts insist restrictions are in people's 'best interests'

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2111109/NHS-patients-refused-treatment-unless-change-lifestyles.html

This is the stuff I am against. These busybodies and jobsworths telling the great British people what to do and calling them "undeserving" and "scroungers". UKIP's Winston McKenzie doesn't call people scroungers, he puts the blame where it is due - on the bigwigs and fat cats who are ruining our country and stitching up the people.

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Isitmebut · 11/12/2014 14:26

More UKIP populist/political 'key words' of the downtrodden masses, keep them coming Comrade Claig.

claig · 11/12/2014 14:31

'More UKIP populist/political 'key words' of the downtrodden masses, keep them coming Comrade Claig.'

Believe me, all their brightest teenage whizzkids from Oxbridge have been set homework assignments to counter UKIP's populism, because their corporate masters are in panic mode.

That is why they have called on Comrade Russell Brand with his Che Guevara cap and his establishment leftwing climate change claptrap. He's probably been told that UKIP intend to scrap the Esatblishment's Climate Change Act.

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Isitmebut · 11/12/2014 14:35

P.S. I realise your (racist, who's racist?) agenda promoting old Winston, but nowadays we require parliament/law makers to provide smarter government, not soundbites, as I don't know one soundbite that will actually achieve a thing.

Spouting off about problems may take 'kippers to parliament, but as we've found from the two you have, all they're interest in doing, via MP Recall, and PR, is making it easier for less talented 'kippers to take the taxpayers shilling.

Isitmebut · 11/12/2014 14:41

Comrade Claig ... more anti corporate spin from the party run by a FTSE and other company... can't you think before writing your drivel???

Re "Believe me, all their brightest teenage whizzkids from Oxbridge have been set homework assignments to counter UKIP's populism, because their corporate masters are in panic mode."

Look at 2010, look at today, there is no comparison, and the difference between pre 2010 and post 2010, more brains on the UK case, as those taking the P. 1. S. about what the coalition was doing at PMQT for 2-3 years - have finally got 'deficit and need to balance UK books religion', as evidenced by the lies today at the press conference.

Isitmebut · 11/12/2014 14:47

"UKIP will scrap the Client Change Act"

How will 10-20 UKIP MP's do that on their own?

How will in your la-la-land will UKIP get that through parliament?

Even the Major of Clacton has realised a UKIP MP will struggle getting LOCAL matters sorted via parliament, never mind government policies needing a honking 326 or more MP majority???

Hakluyt · 11/12/2014 14:47

So if you're anti elitism, then I presume you're anti grammar school- unlike UKIP?

WetAugust · 11/12/2014 14:55

Ok Hakluyt

Lets explore your allegations of racism.

I think its worth doing because there are still some silly sods out there that think that by screaming Racism they can shut down all debate.

Ukip is primarily an anti-EU party that has the prime objective of leaving the EU.

In recent years the party has also developed a portfolio of foreign and domestic policies, including an immigration policy.

Cameron recognised that net migration into the UK was at a level that could not be sustained and promised to reduce immigration to tens of thousands.

Cameron knew that he was totally powerless to stop any EU citizen coming to this country to live, while we are still members of the EU. As he therefore had no control over EU migration he tightened up the rules on immigration to the UK from non-EU countries.
That meant that the UK could import as many Polish plumbers that wanted to come here, but had to refuse entry to a highly qualified brain surgeon from outside the EU, as non-EU migration was the only form of migration that Cameron had the power to reduce.

Do you think that the Tory immigration policy is racist?

Having said all that, the figures published last month showed that Cameron had failed to reduce immigration and that net immigration last year had actually risen to 260,000, or a city the size of Plymouh in just one year, putting additional strain on housing, health care, transport and an education system that was not designed for an additional 260,000 immigrants this year, and next year and the year after that.

The Tory policy on immigration is stupid because it denies the UK very highly qualified non-EU immigrants that our public services and industry needs. But while we are in the EU and cannot control our EU level of immigration then barring these skilled people is the only option available to Cameron (and it doesnt work anyway).
So Cameron is saying that hes rather have EU immigrants than non-EU immigrants.

Do you think that the Tory immigration policy is racist?

Labours policy appears to have been to permit anyone who wanted to migrate to this country to do so. Didnt Peter Mandelsohn boasts that labour actively went looking for immigrants to tempt to the UK?

Ukips immigration policy is to have a points-based system similar to that operated by Australia and other countries. The UK would then permit the immigration of those who would benefit the country and the number of migrants coming into the UK could be actively managed. As Ukip would have left the EU, the UK would no longer be under the EU mandate to accept every EU citizen who wished to migrate here. Ukip would therefore be treating people from the EU and from non-EU countries equally, and would be importing them based on their skills.

I see nothing racist at all in that.

Or are you trying to claim that trying to reduce the net level of immigration into the UK by EU citizens is in some way racist?

And this is what really annoys me about this stupid Racist shout. I presume by racist you mean that that Ukip is in some way objecting to immigrants based on the colour of their skin?

The racial majority in most European countries is Caucasian i.e. white with non-Caucasian racial minorities.

What on earth is racist about objecting to an influx into the UK of a large number of people from EU countries who are also predominantly of the same racial composition as your own country? Nothing. Race does not come into it. Its purely the high levels of immigration that the UK cannot support with its existibg infrastructre.

You could argue that Cameron, in restricting non-EU immigrants has a bigger claim to being called racist than UKIP which just wants those people regardless of race, creed, gender, sexual preference etc to come here to being essential skills the country needs.

And as that probably has not convinced you that Ukip is not Ray-Cist, then I suggest you take a good hard look at some of Ukips MEPs, some of whom have first / second generation Bangladeshi, and Turkish origins, or look at the swathes of councillors of every racial group that have joined Ukip, many of whom will be standing as PPCs at the general election.

So, would you kindly explain to me just what it is that makes you feel justified to shout Racist at Ukip?

Or are you just a performing seal? Dave and Ed clap their hands and you bark. Use your brain occasionally. Its quite useful.

I really dont know why I bother.

claig · 11/12/2014 14:56

It's not down to the highfiving skills of Cameron according to this Daily Mail article

"Cabinet Secretary Sir Jeremy Heywood has David Cameron ‘by the balls’, with the Prime Minister having to ask his permission before doing anything, according to a former Tory adviser.

Dominic Cummings, Michael Gove’s key aide when he was Education Secretary, claimed that Mr Cameron is surrounded by a chaotic team and ‘cannot manage his way out of a paper bag’.

In a scathing attack, Mr Cummings said: ‘Everyone knows that Jeremy Heywood is in charge of everything."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2843259/Sir-Cover-got-PM-b-civil-servant-runs-says-Gove-s-ex-aide.html

Farage and Winston McKenzie will have a meeting down the pub and set the agenda - scrap the Establishment's Climate Change Act, leave the EU, bring in PR, direct democracy and local referenda, slash the luvvies' quangos, slash the ring-fenced foreign aid budget, scrap HS2, scrap tuition fees for science degrees, reintroduce grammar schools and help social mobility for ordinary people who can't afford to send their children to Eton like Cameron's parents could, control our borders and stop criminals and people who have served time for murder entering our country, scrap all politically correct policies such as minimum alcohol pricing, scrap regulations that have seen our pubs fall in number by 20% in under a decade of PPE rule, ask all busybodies and jobsworths to explain themselves at televised Parliamentary Committee meetings etc

Then after several pints, they will stagger over to Whitehall and speak to Sir Humphrey and he will implememt the whole lot.

Pubs will boom, people will party, our great people will celebrate and rejoice and pubs will be brimming. We will win, they can't stop the people, not even with Russell Brand.

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claig · 11/12/2014 15:00

'So if you're anti elitism, then I presume you're anti grammar school- unlike UKIP?'

Absolutely not. I am only anti-elitism of money, but am all for elitism of merit.

I dislike egalitarian Labour who want to hold everybody back at the same level because some people are less able. I believe in excellence in sport and in education, and the best footballers and violin players should be selected to have the best tutors in those fields and the brightest pupils should be allowed to compete to go to the best schools. It should not be about money, it should be about merit.

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Hakluyt · 11/12/2014 15:01

Could you tell us some more about UKIP's relationship with the KNP? Oh, and what was Robert Iwaszkiewicz doing while he was seconded to the party earlier in th yewr?

claig · 11/12/2014 15:03

'How will 10-20 UKIP MP's do that on their own?'

I am looking towards the 2020 election, when the Establishment knows that it will all be over. By then Russell Brand will probably realise that the game is up and may ask to join the People's Army in which case he may be put in charge of the BBC by Farage.

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Hakluyt · 11/12/2014 15:05

"
"I am looking towards the 2020 election, when the Establishment knows that it will all be over. By then Russell Brand will probably realise that the game is up and may ask to join the People's Army in which case he may be put in charge of the BBC by Farage."

Be careful- if you sound too mad, you'll blow your cover. You have to sound sane enough for us not to be quite sure you're a construct.

WetAugust · 11/12/2014 15:08

Claig That doesn't surprise me at all. It would explain why Cameron has not actually DONE anything, why all his targets fail to be met, etc Cameron does not strike me as someone who has the levers of power gripped firmly in his hands, like Mrs Thatcher undoubtedly had.

Cabinet Secretary is all-powerful. It was G O'D who put together the current coalition. That was a man who just exuded power (watched him in person and it was entrancing).

The one thing that strick me reading Alistair Campbell's diaries was 'how the hell did Blair manage to run the country at all?' To me he came across as a petulant, disorganised schoolboy who completely failed to grasp the issues and was totally cowed by his wife and who couldn't move in any direction without Alistair's help.

WetAugust · 11/12/2014 15:12

Are you really interested Hal? I doubt it.

It was an arrangement forced upon Ukip by the political interefence of the EU president. If you feel stronngly about EU Parl groupings then look at the homophobic groupings that the Tories have or the rather dubious groupings that Labour belong to. Or perhaps you prefer to focus on just one party - ukip, in which case, you carry on but don't expect me to humour you

claig · 11/12/2014 15:13

'Cameron does not strike me as someone who has the levers of power gripped firmly in his hands, like Mrs Thatcher undoubtedly had'

Absolutely, Cameron has to ask Merkel for permission. Thatcher told Delors

"No, Mr Delors, we shall not have socialism by the back door"

Cameron is a moderniser, Thatcher was a legend.

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Hakluyt · 11/12/2014 15:15

UKIP was forced into a relationship with the KNP????????????

How did that work?

By the way, I am happy to talk about the iniquities of the Conservative party- but that's for another thread. You asked me to explain why I think UKIP is a racist party- I started by pointing out the company they keep

singersgirl · 11/12/2014 15:19

Claig, are you very drunk or on drugs?

claig · 11/12/2014 15:24

Neither, but I hope to have a drink or two tonight when I watch Brand vs Farage on the BBC.

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WetAugust · 11/12/2014 15:39

Claig I will join you.

Hal - if you are knowledgeable about the KNP then I suggest you google it and find that the ONE Mp who is affiliated to Ukips EU Parl group is not a holocaust-denier and stated that he would have wished to kill Hitler.

And beyond that i really cannot be bothered. You can tyoe therefore you can goggle, or you can continue to believe what you wish to believe, in spite of the actuality.

Hakluyt · 11/12/2014 15:41

So you can't be bothered actually dealing with facts?

slug · 11/12/2014 15:52

Claig's posts bring Unity Mitford to mind on occasions.