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Oxford University denies that UKIP candidate Natasha Bolter ever attended Oxford

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claig · 10/12/2014 17:51

"Natasha Bolter: Oxford University deny sex scandal Ukip candidate ever attended"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11285916/Natasha-Bolter-Oxford-University-deny-sex-scandal-Ukip-candidate-ever-attended.html

Roger Bird, who is a PPE, introduced Natasha Bolter as having defected from Labour and being a PPE too.

I saw her interviewed on BBC Newsnight last night, and I did begin to wonder about Oxford and PPEs. I'm not a big fan of PPEs at the best of times, but Gordon Bennett, I thought to myself.

What's going on?

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claig · 11/12/2014 00:01

Yes, the Five Tribes is an excellent article. I am actually Blue/Red/People's Army, a combination of all of them.

I'm in favour of nationalising the railways etc. I like Louise Bours on health and no to TTIP etc. I like O'Flynn now again. He is good. There were articles saying that some factions in UKIP wanted him out because he wanted to raise some taxes. I read teh articles and again it looks like it might be Establishment stooges trying to derail UKIP.

Roger Bird, the PPE, is described in teh papers as being in charge of vetting candidates. On this thread we have had ;posters finding it hard to believe she went to Oxford. How on earth did she get through Roger Bird's vetting process if it turns out she didn't get a PPE from Oxford etc?

I love this line in the Five Tribes article

"Even Farage, whom they [the People's Army] hero-worship, could get himself into trouble if he put himself at odds with them."

It is true. I have my doubts about Farage. Is he serious, he says he will stand down by 2020, but that is precisely when UKIP will break the Oxbridge PPEs' stranglehold on power and when UKIP will sweep the nation. Farage could make history, why on earth stand down when the revolution is in full flow?

And we are told that Farage is close to Hamilton. And what about Roger Bird, the PPE, and his vetting? And how did a Labour defector leave Labour in September and then be in pole position to get a seat in Essex - the jewel in teh crown for UKIP - within a few months, particularly as she was Labour and frankly sounded like she was politically correct and from what I saw of her interview on BBC Newsnight would have had a glittering career at the very top of Labour?

What is going on?

But UKIP's ranks have swelled and the Establishment won't be able to break UKIP easily.

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claig · 11/12/2014 00:03

"The one I'm thinking of was a VERY senior Tory politician! It didn't seem to worry the Tories much so I'm not sure why people would expect UKIP to be better!"

Good point, but that is the Tories all over. UKIP are the People's Army, we demand higher standards.

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claig · 11/12/2014 00:14

'from what I saw of her interview on BBC Newsnight would have had a glittering career at the very top of Labour?'

She used all the language the Labour Oxbridge PPEs use - politiciany and favouritised. She was a shoe-in for a senior front bench role in Labour and she was allegedly a PPE as well. Why would a Labour PPE join UKIP, the People's Party, which the Establishment and its Labour politicians call "vile" "unBritish" and "racist"?

How did it get this far? Is the Establishment laughing at the good people in the People's Army?

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WetAugust · 11/12/2014 00:16

Funnily enough, although I 'my blue, I'd nationalise the railways too.

Well, you've heard my thoughts on candidate selection (re my off board remarks about my own constituency and the mistake I think it's about to make). I think they looked at her and saw a woman from an ethnic minority,who was Oxford educated and a convert from Labour who ticked so many boxes that they were blind to the reality. Add the 'affair' into that mix and you have the perfect storm.

O'Flynn was a good Head of Comms but very poor on current affair progs. He proposed this special VAT rate on luxury goods and was immediately shot down by Farage, which them led to questions about who makes policy and is policy F arage's own ideas etc. So O'Flynn dropped them in it over that.

I had not heard of Bird but he looks a lot older than a man in his 40s.

The UKIP women do seem very capable. Perhaps they'll do a Maggie and make one party leader.

I don't know what the future holds for UKIP. They need to manage their Peoples Army's expectations as they are not going to get tens of MPs and the disillusioned members will walk away. If there is a referendum and it's an IN then Farage will go. If it's OUT then UKIPs original task would be done and it would have disbanded, but now it has reinvented itself as the one size fits all firms of protest party they may stay a the 3rd party in politics for the foreseeable future.

claig · 11/12/2014 00:32

'Well, you've heard my thoughts on candidate selection (re my off board remarks about my own constituency and the mistake I think it's about to make).'

Yes I thought you were wrong when you said it, but now I think you are right. Did you read in the Five Tribes article about the Bright Purple faction, which is probably the Establishment faction which will try to ruin UKIP's real appeal, who it is backed by?

"They need to manage their Peoples Army's expectations as they are not going to get tens of MPs and the disillusioned members will walk away. If there is a referendum and it's an IN then Farage will go. If it's OUT then UKIPs original task would be done and it would have disbanded, but now it has reinvented itself as the one size fits all firms of protest party they may stay a the 3rd party in politics for the foreseeable future."

The People's Army is the future of UKIP because it literally will include millions and millions of people. The only way to get out of the EU is to win power and be in government and that can be done by 2020, which is why it is strange that Farage says he will go. An early referendum may be lost, because the Establishment will throw the kitchen sink at it, they will love bomb everyone in a desperate attempt to stay in and they may pull it off this time.

UKIP wants to "get our country back" from the EU, but the People's Army now realise that that is nowhere near enough because we have to get it back from the metropolitan elite too because as the Five Tribes article said

"This is perhaps Nigel Farage’s most potent line of attack: that the liberal, metropolitan elites who hate ordinary Brits and employ foreign nannies have stitched up the political system, rigged the economy in their favour, ripped off their parliamentary expenses and are laughing at us all behind our backs."

They are wrecking our country and laughing at us. They nearly brought in DNA databases under Labour. As the Five Tribes article said, the People's Army wants to liberate the people

"Proudly anti-intellectual, the People’s Army knows what it is against (banks, bankers, toffs, Brussels, immigration, human rights, political correctness, busybodies, jobsworths and Little Hitlers)"

The People's Army will not go away in fact it will only grow because the people have smelt liberty and they won't return to servitude to be mocked and laughed at by the Oxbridge metropolitan elite who think that the people of Clacton belong to the past.

melodygrace was spot on another thread when she said

"nearly everyone I've asked in real life who they are voting for saiys UKIP"
and
"everyone seems to love UKIP round here"

That is going to grow and grow and that is why the Establishment are doing everything they can to stop it now before it is their High Noon

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WetAugust · 11/12/2014 09:58

Yes Claig, the Five Tribes article should be handed to anyone who asks what UKIP us all about. you're right, it's original BREXIT goal has now been extended indefinitely to address the metropolitan bias of the liberal elite. I just hope the Peoples Army within does not hijack the original purpose of BREXIT.

I have very mixed views about their possible success. On one hand they have momentum and an enthusiasm that the other parties lack and it's a grass roots movement so it's supporters will have the zealousness of the recently enlightened. BUT

It is not winning every local council by election

It has approx 40,000 members. the Referendum Party had 55,000 which only delivered about 3% in the GE and the SNP has about 75,000 members

The fascism slur has stuck and needs to be addressed very strongly. The he NHS privatisation lie is also being widely spread so that needs to be stopped.

But at least the polls show that the public recognise the smearing that is taking place by the media and Establishment and that is also providing a catalyst for UKIP membership - it makes the public think if this UKIP thing is being attacked then this UKIP thing must be onto something.

agree that some very unlikely people have said they will be voting UKIP. Oxbridge educated public school teacher was one I met. guy who laid my floor tiles was one too

Hakluyt · 11/12/2014 11:00

What's a PPE?

claig · 11/12/2014 11:00

'they have momentum and an enthusiasm that the other parties lack and it's a grass roots movement so it's supporters will have the zealousness of the recently enlightened'

Yes this is the key, because it meets a real need.

'It has approx 40,000 members. the Referendum Party had 55,000 which only delivered about 3% in the GE and the SNP has about 75,000 members'

The SNP now has about 90000 I heard the other day. I never realised that the Referendum Party had so many members. They were also enthusiastic because they believed in something.

But the difference with the People's Army is that it is not really about the EU and therefore it attracts people who are not so much in to politics but who love our country and our way of life and our great liberties and freedoms and who despise petty bureaucrats who fine us for leaving our bins out on the wrong day. The British people put up with all sorts of crap from their Oxbridge metropolitan elites but they have finally had enough of busybody politcally correct spinners who speak PPE jargonese and who are out of touch telling us how to live our lives and ruining our great country.

We love our way of life, we love our country, we love our traditions and we love our freedoms and it is when our Oxbridge political class of puppets who really serve banks and corporations rather than us, start ruining our country that we will join a party that says enough is enough. That is why Farage is so popular, he drinks and smokes and says what the elite tell us we are not allowed to say, what they say is "unBritish" to say and he sticks two fingers up to them. And that will attract millions and millions of votes because everybody has had enough of these spinners with their politically correct PPE busybody hectoring and lecturing of ordinary people.

"Tax and red tape close 6,000 pubs over the past eight years: Drinks taxes in UK are so high they are responsible for 40% of entire EU alcohol duty
Since 2006 number of pubs has fallen by 20 per cent from 58,000 to 48,000
Last decade is most drastic drop compared to last forty years of decline
Smoking ban, alcohol duty increases and decline in real wages to blame
A think tank is calling on the government to help save the British boozer
Demands watering down of smoking ban and cuts in taxes on alcohol"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2867715/Drinks-taxes-UK-high-responsible-40-EU-alcohol-duty.html

We know that the PPEs have never been in a pub, have never drunk a beer and have never spoken to an ordinary person, but they are ruining the social fabric and things that make our country great and unique across the world.

The People's Army mainly don't even care about the EU, but that is exactly why we will leave the EU, because Farage cares and the People's Army like Farage and they won't care if we do leave, to the People's Army, they couldn't care less. That is why UKIP have to appeal to the People's Army, because once they are in charge, they will leave the EU because they don't care two hoots about it, or ring-fenced foreign aid, or political correctness or jobsworths or anything else the metropolitan elite hold most dear.

The Establishment and their puppets and PPEs made a fatal mistake in underestimating the British people and thinking that the people of Clacton "belong to the past" because they don't share their metropolitan obsessions on windfarms, political correctness and all the rest of what they are told to do by their corporate masters. The popularity of Farage shows that loud and clear. Farage is the polar opposite of the puppets.

We would have put up with the big things the Establishment were doing to us, but when they started messing with our bins and pints and telling us whether we should be allowed to smoke in parks or not, that is when they went too far and now they are up against the People's Army and it will not go away because it already scents victory as shown in the biggest landslide in British parliamentary postwar history in Clacton - the place they call "left behind" and where they say the people "belong to the past".

They can't put millions of us back in our box however many PPEs they put in senior positions in UKIP. Basildon last night got the candidate they had wanted from the start - the one who had been deselected only a month or two ago, but has now been reselected thanks to the efforts of ordinary people in UKIP.

The smears against UKIP have all backfired because ordinary people are not as stupid as the PPEs think. Ordinary people know that the Esatblishment is desperate and that there are no deoths to which they will not sink.

'“If you vote UKIP, the value of your house will go down.”

But ordinary people are laughing at them, we're all thumbing our nose. Winston McKenzie in Croydon is laughing at them. We are going to win but it will still take a few years yet, we can't do it overnight.

"agree that some very unlikely people have said they will be voting UKIP. Oxbridge educated public school teacher was one I met. guy who laid my floor tiles was one too"

Agree it is everybody from all classes, from the unemployed, to the working class, to the middle class, to the upper class, to Tory MP, Bill Cash's son, from every ethnic community and every age from young teenagers to old-age pensioners. It is the People's Army, the People's Party and it represents the millions of us and not the tiny metropolitan elite.

There is only one entry condition for the People's Army and that is that you are not politically correct and that includes the vast majority of the country despite what our BBC Oxbridge PPE metropolitan elite media try to tell us.

That is why they have got working class street-cred Russell Brand on Question Time tonight to try and stop us. They can't stop us with a PPE, so they need a street-cred comedian to mock us. But it won't work, the people are too smart for that.

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claig · 11/12/2014 11:05

'What's a PPE?'

The short answer is a puppet.

Here is more detail about it.

"Why does PPE rule Britain?

It is the degree of choice for the Westminster elite, claiming six cabinet members and three Labour leadership contenders among its alumni. Why does Oxford's politics, philosophy and economics course dominate public life?

In the corridors of power, at the very highest reaches of government, a form of educational freemasonry holds sway .

It has nothing to do with Eton College, nor even the Bullingdon Club - both far more commonly-cited lightning rods for resentments about class, privilege and the fast track to power.

Instead, the surest ticket to the top - for Conservative, Labour and Lib Dem politicians alike - is surely a degree in politics, philosophy and economics (PPE) at the University of Oxford.

No fewer than six members of the cabinet, including the prime minister, foreign secretary and chief secretary to the treasury, are Oxford PPE graduates, as are an additional two ministers who attend their meetings.

Continue reading the main story
Where an Oxford PPE gets you
Conservative: David Cameron (prime minister), William Hague (foreign secretary), Jeremy Hunt (culture secretary), Philip Hammond (transport secretary), David Willetts (universities minister), Sir George Young (leader of the Commons)
Lib Dem: Danny Alexander (chief secretary to the Treasury), Chris Huhne (energy and climate change secretary)
Labour: Ed Balls, David Miliband, Ed Miliband (leadership candidates), Lord Mandelson (former business secretary), Jacqui Smith (former home secretary), Ruth Kelly (former transport secretary), James Purnell (former work and pensions secretary)

Labour, for all its egalitarian rhetoric, can hardly claim an advantage. As ballot papers go out to the party's members for the leadership contest, three of the contenders for that crown - David and Ed Miliband, plus Ed Balls - are alumni, as are such big names from Gordon Brown's government as Lord Mandelson, Jacqui Smith, Ruth Kelly and James Purnell.

Indeed, in the present House of Commons there are believed to be some 35 Oxford PPE-ists, compared with 20 Old Etonians.

It is a tradition that stretches back decades. Harold Wilson, Edward Heath, Shirley Williams, Edwina Currie, Barbara Castle - all left their mark on politics in different ways, but all started out with an Oxford PPE.

That Oxbridge graduates in general make up a disproportionate number of the nation's elite is, of course, hardly news, as is the fact that UK politicians of all parties are drawn from a narrow educational base compared with the rest of society.

But what is it about this one course in particular that it holds such an apparently indomitable grip on the highest echelons of power?"

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-11136511

"How an Oxford degree – PPE – created a robotic governing class

Most of our prominent politicians studied the same subject at Oxford. Is it any wonder we’re so badly governed?"

www.spectator.co.uk/features/9322492/the-politics-of-ppe/

They are not the real governors, that is obvious.

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Hakluyt · 11/12/2014 11:15

Oh....a PPE!!!!! Somebody who read PPE at Oxford. Grin

I thought you meant Prospective Parliamentary Experiment of something.

You do know that Nigel Farage is a PS, don't you? (A Public School)

claig · 11/12/2014 11:30

Listen to Winston McKenzie from 2.00 minutes in in the following stream. He gets it, he says it, he is real

"the potholes in the street, the dilapidation of shops, the amount of unemployment, the continued rise in crme the closure of police stations, come on man, let's get real, let's talk about the real situation whereby we pay our taxes and we are arrested and thrown into prison for simple, simple little debts and yet you've got masses of politicians and people running around and defrauding the people everyday and nobody says anything ...

It's a dump, people are dying, a man was chopped up the other day and thrown into a bin, people are dying, it's a dump ... people smoke drugs in alleyways, people are found derad in alleyways ...

and I will say it again and I hope it hurts everybody all those bigwigs with money if you're listening now, you've made Croydon into a dump. The Establishment, the Establishment of Croydon has turned Croydon into a dump"

I vote Winston for PM, that speech is better than the Gettysburg address.

Winston cares, unlike those millionaires in their dinner parties in Notting Hill and Primrose Hill who studied degress in bullshit and spin. Winston never grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth, but that is exactly why he represents all of us and can put an end to this crap of people committing suicide because they are scared of not being able to repay their payday loans or loan sharks or old-age pensioners dying of hypothermia because they are frightened of the ever escalating fuel bills that the fat cats charge ordinary people who are desperately struggling to pay the rent and put food on the table.

The PPEs won't fix it, but the People's Army will. That's why we are tearing up theri lawns and they are so panicked that they need Brand to try and stop us.

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claig · 11/12/2014 11:33

'You do know that Nigel Farage is a PS, don't you? (A Public School)'

Yes, but the great George Orwell went to Eton but he is nothing like Cameron and the rest of the chumocracy. It doesn't matter how rich you are or where you went to school, if you are not politically correct (as Farage isn't) we want you in the People's Army, we want you to help us tear up their lawns.

They call Farage and UKIP "fruitcakes", "loonies", "racists", "vile", "unBritish". They don't say that about their puppets.

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claig · 11/12/2014 11:38

"we pay our taxes and we are arrested and thrown into prison for simple, simple little debts and yet you've got masses of politicians and people running around and defrauding the people everyday and nobody says anything ..."

Old-age pensioners were fined for putting bins out on the wrong day, people are jailed because they can't pay council tax or the BBC TV licence and we read of some politicians allegedly calling some public servants "plebs" and we read of some former Tory politicians abusing taxi drivers and reminding them of who they are and how great and good they are.

They all serve us, they are supposed to respect us and we now want some ordinary people in power, people like us, people who care about and respect us, not people who can earn thousands of pounds for one day's consultancy. What do they know about how we live and more importantly do they really care?

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Hakluyt · 11/12/2014 11:57

"Proudly anti-intellectual, the People’s Army knows what it is against (banks, bankers, toffs, Brussels, immigration, human rights, political correctness, busybodies, jobsworths and Little Hitlers) but its weakness is that it is not necessarily for anything (except the abolition of the things it is against)."

People aren't actually proud of lining up with "the People's Army" are they?

Isitmebut · 11/12/2014 12:05

WetAugust …. How can the UKIP/Farage’s “privatisation lie” BE a lie, when Farage, who ‘kippers admit has the overriding say on UKIP policy, is SEEN to have that policy view???

Which other party leader has said the same, please provide qualified quotes if you have them.

“Nigel Farage caught on video suggesting NHS should be run privately”
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-caught-on-video-suggesting-the-nhs-should-be-run-privately-9857389.html

Isitmebut · 11/12/2014 12:06

ravenAK …. I rather enjoyed your UKIP protest-eth too much example; “It's a bit like running a B&B & accusing the neighbours of infesting you with bedbugs, whilst putting up pictures of the cockroaches on Trip Advisor to demonstrate that you do actually have a better class of beetle.”

Indeed you don’t have to look too far for UKIP ex and well as current insiders to confirm what we already know, confirming what UKIP’s Founder Professor Alan Sked said; “UKIP is now morally dodgy” as well as “extraordinarily right wing”.

UKIP Deputy Chairman (and ex disgraced Tory) Neil Hamilton, whose coming to Basildon was previously billed as ‘a big fish’, now accusing this gentleman found guilty of ‘cash for questions’ for dodgy expense claims – as Del Boy would say ‘kel supris, Rodney’.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hamilton-claims-dirty-tricks-as-expenses-row-ends-ukip-seat-bid-9916881.html

^”Mr Hamilton claimed that party insiders were running a “dirty tricks” campaign against him. “It is sad that some people in Ukip have adopted the black arts of selective briefing, misrepresentation and outright lies which Ukip rightly excoriates in the LibLabCon,” he said.”*

And finally, what Farage’s own wife was reported to have said, which confirms Ms Bolters accusations of the sexual etc culture within UKIP.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2577335/Inside-Ukip-freakshow-Workers-partys-bizarre-HQ.html

“Ukip's new London headquarters is a chaotic environment where workers are sex-obsessed and volunteers frequently leave work early to go to the pub, it was claimed today.”

“Former employees say that the office in Mayfair is often full of workers' pets, while staff regularly take their clothes off and compile lists of people they would like to have sex with.”

“Nigel Farage's wife, who works as a secretary for Ukip, has reportedly described the office - which the party moved in to last year as part of its push to become a major political force - as a 'freakshow’.”

claig · 11/12/2014 12:08

People are as proud as punch because this is a real revolution, not a Russell Brand media-hyped one.

Did you see the interviews with people in the street in Clacton - the people the elite called the "left behind" and the ones they say "belong to the past"

"A fortnight or so ago, as part of the campaign for this week’s Clacton byelection, Douglas Carswell and Nigel Farage addressed a public meeting. The hall where it was held is only a stone’s throw from Jaywick, the jumble of former holiday chalets and potholed streets that is reckoned to be the poorest council ward in England: on the face of it, a symbol of the kind of deep social problems that tend to be synonymous with political apathy. That night, though, about 900 people turned up.

It’s said that Farage considers it the most extraordinary meeting he’s ever experienced ."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/08/clacton-byelection-parties-defiance-coast-strood-ukip

Ordinary people are starting to get engaged with politics. Before they didn't care what the BBC and the Esatblishment did, but when they saw our country being ruined and no one was allowed to say anything about it, whenthey saw some real opposition, they started joining in. That is what has led to teh rise of the People's Army. It is not about Europe or immigration, it's actually about how we are misruled by our Establishment and how out of touch they are with millions of us, and that is why the only answer the Establishment has to the People's Army is Russell Brand.

They had to resort to luvvies love bombing the people of Scotland, and now they have had to resort to crossing their fingers and praying that Russell Brand can stop the People's Army. But sadly for them, there is no chance of that.

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WetAugust · 11/12/2014 13:27

Isitmebut

I know you follow politics closely so you really have no excuse for perpetuating the lie that Farage wants to privatise the NHS when he has stated repeatedy that Ulip WILL NOT PRIVSTISE THE NHS. In fact they will ensure the NHS is free at the point of delivery and that GP surgeries extend their opening hours

The Tories however are very keen to privatise the NHS as they support TTIP

Sorry - not going to waste time talking to Isitmebut because they prefer to make up lies rather than have a real debate.

And yes, there are thousands of people who are proud to be members of Ukip We used to call them patriots. Many of them used to be Tories, before they saw they light.

Isitmebut · 11/12/2014 13:35

Claig .... you are supporting a unproven, morally dodgy, protest party, offering nothing different but pretending to be in the interests of 'the people' - with ever more factless, volume, and zeal on Mumsnet as if it was propaganda from the old Soviet Union - not that it matters to you, but I've given up reading them, as I will learn nothing factual about UKIP.

Look I'm the last one to criticise larger posts etc .... but come on

"Farage has an extraordinary meeting", "dog bites Farage", "Farage bites dog back".

Who gives a rats tail????

Hakluyt · 11/12/2014 13:38

"And yes, there are thousands of people who are proud to be members of Ukip We used to call them patriots"

We did. Then we realised they were racists!

Hakluyt · 11/12/2014 13:50

And I do find the idea of being proud to be anti intellectual deeply depressing......

Isitmebut · 11/12/2014 13:51

WetAugust …. Thank you for your post again denying that Farage feels that the Private Sector should have a much greater roll in the NHS, despite Farage’s OWN SPEECH, while hypocritically UKIP (and their supporters), as a ‘free market’ party, has decided to adopt the populist anti TTIP – even though no one can say why TTIP forces government ministers to hand over government contracts to the Private Sector.

More U’kipper, fishy,‘flip flop’ inconsistencies .

claig · 11/12/2014 14:00

'Who gives a rats tail????'

The Establishment gives a rat's tail, that is why they invited Brand onto Question Time tonight. Unfortunately you don't understand what is happening, politics has changed forever. You watch the Daily Politics, you saw how they put on that left wing change.org thing with Russell Brand backing it once again.

They are desperate to try and steal UKIP's clothes and fool the people.
They are desperate to stop UKIP in any way they can. They give a rat's tail alright, because one of the first things that UKIP are going to do is scrap their cherished Climate Change Act, slash their ring-fenced foreign aid that goes to all their charidees, backed by their pop stars and their knights of the realm, and then UKIP are going to leave the EU.

There will be no more Cameron asking Merkel for permission to implement immigration policies and no more Cameron highfiving Juncker. It will all be over and they certainly give a rat's tail about that because their corporate masters and lobbysits will be very, very unhappy about that indeed.

Read the FIve Tribes article in Conservative Home. Mark Wallace is the only one of those politically correct chumps at Conservative Home who gets it. I always liked him when he was at the Taxpayers' Aliiance but I was disappointed to see that he was writing with those politically correct pointless pontificators at Conservative Home. But now he seems to be getting it again.

"This is perhaps Nigel Farage’s most potent line of attack: that the liberal, metropolitan elites who hate ordinary Brits and employ foreign nannies have stitched up the political system, rigged the economy in their favour, ripped off their parliamentary expenses and are laughing at us all behind our backs. The elite in Westminster are allied with the fat quangocrats, the multi-national corporations and the smug “comedians” on Radio 4 whose idea of a joke is to say “Daily Mail” a lot in relation to things of which they disapprove. If you don’t have time for that exposition, just look at a politician who drinks pints and smokes fags - what could be less Islington?

It is a powerful pitch both because it is, to some extent, true and because it speaks to the gut instincts of a lot of people – particularly the ‘left behind’, living outside the capital, lacking a university education and still suffering disproportionately from the financial crisis."

www.conservativehome.com/highlights/2014/12/the-five-tribes-of-ukip.html

"I will learn nothing factual about UKIP"

It's not about facts and figures and Cameron's speeches that his Oxbridge spinners write for him, it's about "gut instincts", it's about feeling, it's about passion, it's about Winston McKenzie, it's about everything the intellectual Oxbridge elite can't understand - it's about the people.

If you want to cheerlead and help Cameron and his clique of Oxbridge chums, then you would be best to understand what it is really all about.

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claig · 11/12/2014 14:04

'the smug “comedians” on Radio 4 whose idea of a joke is to say “Daily Mail” a lot in relation to things of which they disapprove'

Just read the comments in the Daily Mail about any article that talks about Cameron or UKIP. Nearly everyone supports UKIP. Just read Guido Fawkes's very funny site, huge numbers of what once were Tories now support UKIP. It's incredible. It's a revolution and that is why they are promoting Brand's revolution as the Establishment alternative.

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AWholeLottaNosy · 11/12/2014 14:08

Claig since you are so passionate about UKIP, why don't you stand as a candidate yourself...?

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