Part 7: Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

[AndHarry]

Thread 1 - started when 3 Israeli boys were found murdered

Thread 2 - Operation Protective Edge

Thread 3 - Operation Protective Edge, the wider conflict and international involvement

Thread 4 - Operation Protective Edge and the different views in Israel and the wider international community

Thread 5 - in which Operation Protective Edge came to an end and the discussion continued

Thread 6 - themes of the conflict, what happens next and how ordinary people can get involved

Welcome to Thread 7.

I think you'll find those children were put on harms way deliberately by hamas. dear.

"I know that many images distributed on the Internet and even via the bbc were in fact from Syria not gaza."
Where is your evidence to support this ?

Some proof of media using images that weren't even gaza.

will try to find more later.

www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/07/08/WATCH-BBC-Admits-Gaza-Under-Attack-Images-Fabricated

just to check

Are you suggesting that thousands of non-combatants were not killed and maimed in Gaza each time Israel decides to exercise its armed forces?

I'm suggesting that a proportion of the images distributed during operation protective edge were not even of gaza.

I am also suggesting you refrain from putting words in my mouth.

So the images are just a digression, and you don't deny that that thousands of non-combatants were killed and maimed in Gaza each time Israel decides to exercise its armed forces?

I have been musing Trojatot's assertion yesterday that Palestinians should not be given Human Rights.

There was a time when her opinion was quite popular, that Human Rights are not rights, but privileges which may be granted or witheld by the state subject to the race, ethnicity or religion of the individual.

In the second half of the 20th century, these opinions became very unpopular. I wonder what circles Trojatot mixes in, where such views are considered acceptable.

So according to some of you it's totally fine for images of one conflict to be used in another and then attributed to Israel even when she had nothing to do with it?

I can just imagine your scorn if the reverse was true. You bash Israel but are willing to forgive lies and misinformation on the part of Hamas.

You also overlook that when Hamas attacks Israel it is the SAME as when Al Queda attacks America and when IS beheads innocents. All these groups have the same ideology - they make no secret of this.

Yet here you are, not one word of condemnation for Hamas and the Palestinian Arab rhetoric of 'death to the jews'.

The fact that the State of Israel repeatedly kills and maims thousands of non-combatants is very much more serious and reprehensible that the fact that some online bloggers use wrongly attributed images.

Or do you disagree?

How about some condemnation for the violence against Israelis - oh, silly me, that doesn't count, does it?

Acid attack:

www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/188589

I was very interested by what southlondonmum said about the village of Lifta, and how it related to her views on violence, terrorism, murder, and the theft of homes and land.

I would hardly call the bbc 'online bloggers '

I would hardly brush aside the fact that the State of Israel repeatedly kills and maims thousands of non-combatants as "conflict involved victims"

If the images are doctored how can you be sure anything you've been told is true?

Oh dear - so the recently joined posters are now extremists too? And the facts they've mentioned are deemed diversion tactics and "whataboutery" because they don't suit the poisonous agenda of those whose only possible position is to insist that Palestine's the utterly blameless victim of the evil Israeli state?

And still the haters can't see how much their attitude contributes to the problem? Incredible ...

For some reason the headline posted by KareninsGirl may give the misleading impression that it is about the BBC when it says "BBC admits"

The text actually says:

"A little-known division of the corporation called BBC Trending says that many of images being shared on social media under the #GazaUnderAttack hashtag are in fact several years old, and in some cases from different conflicts.

In one case, a Twitter user posted multiple images with the caption: "This is not a matter of religion. This is a matter of humanity #GazaUnderAttack" – except one of the images was from Syria last month, and another from Baghdad in 2007.

One 16-year-old who shared another inaccurate image told BBC Trending: "I didn’t actually know that the picture was recycled," before trying to justify it by saying: "I guess I just used it as an illustration – people don't need to take it as a literal account. If you think of bombs going off that’s pretty much what it looks like." "

It is hard to understand why one would use the words democracy and israel in the same sentence. This summer, many the world over protested the campaign of murder unleashed by israel which took the lives of 373 + palestinian children; the protestors I saw included many jewish people (see the photos taken in London) - no one is under any illusions that the israeli government is democratic or fair or humane.

This list of theads is disturbing in many ways, I never realised NetMums was going to be used as a political platform?!!!! Israel does not want war it wants peace, I read threads that are lies with no back-up, the constant retort saying Israel bombed schools and hospitals, it was proved that they only targeted where rockets were being launched from these sites(and western journalists even filmed and reported this happening), they also warned beforehand where they were going to target so civilians could leave (no other army in the world has done this), but the use of human shields it has been proved again that many innocents were prevented from leaving. My partner's children have grown up on the border in Israel rushing underground to safety throughout their young lives as rockets were launched at them and surrounding areas. How would you feel if your child was living like this, would you want to protect them and stop this happening or if they got killed would it be okay? then it would be more proportionate. There will only be peace when the Palestinians learn to love their children more than they hate Israel, when they stop launching rockets, sending their children as suicide bombers, building terror tunnels and wanting to live in peace

"Israel does not want war it wants peace"

I'm sure that's true. And so does Palestine.

But does Israel want a peace in which Palestine has a right to exist as a sovereign nation? Does it want a peace in which Palestinian occupants of the Occupied Territories have the same rights as Israeli occupants?

Or does it want a peace which is predicated on the invasion, occupation and theft of Palestinian land, and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homeland? Does it want a peace where the Right to Return to your ancestral homeland is applied selectively, to Jews only?

The peace that Palestinians want, and the peace that Israel wants, are incompatible. Israel's peace is dependent on the conquest of Palestine.

How would you feel if you were attacked by rockets? Why don't those asking this question see the obvious answer is, I would stop occupying another person's home - and then peace would follow.

Fyi, reports from lots of israeli campaigns current and past show no evidence palestinians used human shields, and plenty of evidence that israel does use human shields - here is an example :

'The Israeli attacks were carried out so that the Palestinians do not feel safe anywhere - whether in private homes or within the United Nations
buildings. Amnesty has found no evidence that Palestinian militants had used human shields, as claimed by Israel, but it nevertheless found evidence that Israeli had forced Palestinian civilians, including children, to serve as human shields for the Israeli army'.

www.cjpme.org/DisplayDocument.aspx?DO=795&RecID=354&DocumentID=574&SaveMode=0

www.alternet.org/story/141078/amnesty%3A_israel_used_children_as_human_shields_in_gaza

Pigletinablanket .... Really!!! Naughty aren't you .. Where are you getting your propaganda from the normal or you searching extra carefully ... Oh and BTW if we are focusing on right to return don't even get me started .. My family lost everything and were expelled from guess???? Egypt ... Have you experienced this? I would be surprised sat on your comfy chair posting away with little true understanding

Having had a quick read of this......
What is the solution? Everyone seems to be accusing. Why can't we think of ways to build bridges?

Wow nippernoo that's a great set of bingos I call house!
Btw this isn't NetMums.
Your partner's children may have had to live with their children going into bomb shelters. His Palestinians neighbours have had to live with their children blown to pieces.
Steal their land, impoverish them, put them in an open prison, give them no recourse to justice... then paint yourselves as victims. Shameful.

coacbella "My family lost everything and were expelled "

then, from your family's experience, do you think it is wicked that people's right to return, and ownership of their home and land, should be conditional on their ethnicity or religion? I certainly do. But do you?

Right to return to where? Lebanon, Jordan, Syria...