Part 7: Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

[AndHarry]

Thread 1 - started when 3 Israeli boys were found murdered

Thread 2 - Operation Protective Edge

Thread 3 - Operation Protective Edge, the wider conflict and international involvement

Thread 4 - Operation Protective Edge and the different views in Israel and the wider international community

Thread 5 - in which Operation Protective Edge came to an end and the discussion continued

Thread 6 - themes of the conflict, what happens next and how ordinary people can get involved

Welcome to Thread 7.

Glad to see Spain voted overwhelmingly to recognise Palestine. (JPost printed a pitifully inward-facing response.) Now just need Europeans to start translating this into concrete action...

deflection seems to be all they have - because there is no defense for their actions and they are clear violations of international law.

there has to be concrete action this time. refusing to allow the UN to investigate is surely a declaration that israel no longer recognises international law and has become despotic?

"That 'perfectly acceptable description' of muslims now seems to have been removed from the thread, thankfully."

Thank you for doing this MN HQ. That was an extremely ugly piece of literature.

(Using literature in the very broadest sense of the word here!)

With regard to media bias, the slaughter of Jews at prayer in the Jerusalem synagogue this week was headlined by CNN thus: "Police killed 2 Palestinians".
Even those who passionately support the Palestinian cause should have pause for thought when cleaver-wielding murderers are presented in this way.
Screen grab attached.

uh that's a quote from israeli govt. radio sergeant. "israeli govt. radio: police shot, killed 2 palestinians". they're not doing what you've said they have simply put up on screen the official statement on govt radio - so what they know has been confirmed.

blimey.

It's interesting that the grave of Baruch Kopel Goldstein is something of a shrine to some Israelis.

Parliamentary debate on 1st December on Palestine. I've written to my mp tho if she says anything, it'll be in support of Israel.

Interesting to note the invocation of martyrdom on Goldstein's tombstone/epitaph. Much more worrying is the number of visitors to it - 10,000?? That's about two and a half times more people than are members of the BNP!!

very depressing that for a terrorist and mass-murderer who killed and wounded 154 worshippers at prayer, the grave's epitaph said that Goldstein "gave his life for the people of Israel, its Torah and land." I don't know if his fans still bring stones to lay respectfully on his grave.

Surely no reasonable human being could describe such a person with sympathy.

I have a feeling that Israelis will feel differently about the Palestinian killers.

I find it astounding that following the terrible tragedy that happened in Jerusalem not two days ago, there are posters on this thread turning it around onto the Israelis, almost justifying this slaughter of innocent worshippers by retorting about something completely separate.

This whole series of threads is completely sickening.

have some fucking respect.

ODFOD

we were I think discussing the wickedness of a person murdering worshippers at prayer. Do you think you can justify that? Or gloss over it? Or praise it? I can't.

What was it you wanted to talk about? Something different?

You make my stomach churn.

truly.

Read your own link regarding how the Israeli government responded to Baruch 's crimes.

"You make my stomach churn."

It should be churning at mass-murderers who shoot worshippers at prayer

For a start.

I don't think you have any idea how I feel about the shocking and brutal murders that have happened, whether it was yesterday, two months ago, or twenty years ago.

karenin presumably you're just as able to differentiate the actions of 'extremists' and average palestinians as you are willing to do between extremist and average israelis? it would be a shame to punish all for the actions of a few on either side surely?

though it's more than a few when you have mainstream politicians and newspapers calling for genocide.

kareninsgirl I couldn't agree with you more. That's why I've not bothered contributing to this thread, since it consists of the same few people banging on about the wicked Israelis and the martyred Palestinians as almost everyone with a different point of view has long since given up posting. I couldn't believe that the horror in the Synagogue only merited two in-passing comments and apparently causes less outrage here than a murderer's house being demolished. (Personally I think the demolitions are counterproductive but that's another issue.)

I doubt I'll make any further comment, I just had to let you know that you're not on your own in your feelings and I'm not the only one who refuses to engage in this pointless and yes, sickening, thread.

As for Honeybadger's comment "when you have mainstream politicians and newspapers calling for genocide" there may well be some who do this but compare that with the large majority of Palestinians from every walk of life who constantly call for the destruction of the Jews.

By the way, the Jewish population of Israel is around 6 million which means less than one quarter of a percent of its population have visited Baruch's grave (I am excluding foreigners). Compare that with the huge numbers of Palestinians celebrating at the deaths in Synagogue (and for the record yes I think Baruch was just as bad as the two who committed the Synagogue butchery).

Its a shame that stomachs don't churn on a daily basis at murders and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians

Its a shame that stomachs don't churn at the home demolitions of Palestinian families who have to pay the price for a crime they didn't commit.

Its a shame that stomachs don't churn at blatant racism and apartheid when so many israeli Arabs are losing their livelihoods because they are Arab.

Its a shame that stomachs don't churn when Israeli government gives the go ahead for more settlements, meaning more misery for the Palestinians.

Its a shame that stomachs don't churn when Palestinians are denied justice for the heinous crimes perpetrated against them by Israelis.

Its a shame that stomachs don't churn when Palestinians aren't allowed to worship at al aqsa in peace without disgusting settlers and Israeli politicians frequently storming the site.

Its a shame that stomachs don't churn at the ethnic cleansing of thousands of Palestinian men, women and children in their homes, schools and hospitals.

Its a shame that stomachs don't churn when Palestinians face suffering and humiliation on a daily basis by Israel and its settlers.

Isn't it time that Israel realised that its apartheid and inhumane treatment of the Palestinians will not make the Palestinians friendly.

Had it ever occurred to those who go on about Palestinians being terrible, that how much they have suffered under Israeli occupation?

israel is responsible for the suffering of Palestinians. palestinian land is not Israel's to take. Al-aqsa is not Israel's to take. palestinian life is not of less value than Israeli life.

Get rid of the 'stomach churning' and head screw Palestinian democratically elected Hamas, and there WILL be more sympathy, and a better hope for peace.

isitme you're going to get yourself banned if you don't stop dragging things from thread to thread. it's harassment. you're turning up on threads, even threads about the murder and rape of children, with your personal axes to grind against individual posters and dragging things from thread to thread.

if you want to speak to this thread about the issues here that's fine, if you want to speak about sexual abuse scandals on a sexual abuse thread that's fine, if you want to talk at to claig about her politics on a politics thread, fine. to simply go from thread to thread regardless of topic to harass posters that isn't ok.

your MO seems to be attention seeking deliberately provocative posts - there is a name for that kind of behaviour on an internet forum.

"the large majority of Palestinians from every walk of life who constantly call for the destruction of the Jews"

Er where is your proof for this, has there been a survey conducted polling "Palestinians from every walk of life" Please link.