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Part 4: Israeli-Palestinian conflict

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AndHarry · 31/07/2014 11:46

New thread again.

Thread 1 - started when 3 Israeli boys were found murdered.

Thread 2 - in which we mainly discussed Operation Protective Edge.

Thread 3 - in which we continued to discuss Operation Protective Edge, the wider conflict and international involvement.

Welcome to part 4, in which I hope it's not too much to ask that we stick to the MN Talk Guidelines Wink

As many people have asked about Syria, I'm pleased to say that a new discussion on that subject has been started (by another poster here.

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justasecond · 03/08/2014 23:57

"Would it have made you feel better if more than 3000 israelis dies as well. Is that more fair?"

you just don't get it do you? no one wants more Israelis dead, we want less Palestinian children, women and civilians dead.

babbas · 03/08/2014 23:57

' Friends living in shelters for years'? Sorry bit what a load of shit.

I have family in Israel. They are not stressed worried or dying. They are living a good life. They are not in shelters. They are on the beach mostly.

You speak of terror tunnels but the only terror is above the land via israeli fighter jets trying to find unwra schools to bomb.

Wake up, you are embarrassing yourself defending this regime. Our great grandparents were killed in the Holocaust and we do not want to inflict misery on Gazans.

AmIIndecisive · 04/08/2014 00:00

Qn, you mentioned flattening of Gaza, I didn't. Israel have sent warnings and put their own soldiers in danger for the sake of civilians.

You may blame them for not having more casualties (disproportionate) but they have chosen to invest in defence systems and bomb shelters - Hamas have not done the same, instead they have fired from hospitals and schools, misfired and hurt their own. Many images that have emerged have been from different war zones at different items, pictures doctored etc. Terrorists have gained the art of social media no doubt.

The British media have been unashamedly anti Israel - can only assume there is an underlying reason for that, thank goodness Fox is slightly more balanced but I pray for the poor Palestinians who are stuck under Hamas and for the poor Israelis under constant attack - I really hope this situation comes to an end soon but anyone who believes in democracy and a free world should support the destruction of terrorism,

duvsha · 04/08/2014 00:01

somewheresafe
you can disagree with me but i'll be damned if you insult me.
i am 41 years old, mother of 3 children, born and bred in israel, lived a few years in the US, Liberia, Bolivia, spent most of my adult life in israel and currently live in the uk. I have a BA and and MBA and I pay more tax than you ever will.
I pity you for your ignorance and inability to hold a dignified conversation with someone you don't agree with and reverting to personal insults. May your God be with you.

duvsha · 04/08/2014 00:03

babbas
clearly your family is living a lovely life. my family is terrified and my friends who live outside of the gaza strip have fled since terrorists have started coming out of the ground like daisies!

duvsha · 04/08/2014 00:05

justasecond
i want less people dead as well. on both side.
And responding to rockets fired to create terror in a civilian population is not terrorist. The initial fire of the rockets for the purpose of causing terror for your own political cause is.

babbas · 04/08/2014 00:05

Oh I thought the Israelis near the border were busy cheering on rooftops as captured by cnn and other news agencies?

Why are your friends so terrified when the idf shoot on sight anyone emerging from tunnels.

I don't believe a word you say.

AmIIndecisive · 04/08/2014 00:05

Babbas, I think you might be mistaken. I know Jewish people and they are constantly sending positive messages of peace (while hiding in bomb shelters!) - they are certainly not lazing on beaches - perhaps your friends are lucky (or in another country)

thecatfromjapan · 04/08/2014 00:06

"anyone who believes in democracy and a free world should support the destruction of terrorism"

Yes.

So I will be 'phoning my MP tomorrow and asking him to support the call for a re-call of Parliament. I will ask him to call for sanctions against the state that has killed over 1,700 civilians. I will ask him to vote in favour of sanctions.

I hope other mumsnetters will be e-mailing, 'phoning or visiting their MPs.

It is an indefensible slaughter. I want to give my MP the chance to say to his grandchildren that he did not hide away and close his eyes whilst people were slaughtered.

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duvsha · 04/08/2014 00:07

babbas,
one of my ex colleagues was killed last saturday by a group of terrorist who came out from one of the tunnels. Amoz Greenberg. Left a wife and 3 children. Go talk to them about proportionality.

babbas · 04/08/2014 00:08

We fully support the destruction of terrorism. That's why I will be boycotting as many israeli products as I can, writing again to my MP and calling for Israel to go before the ICC.

runes · 04/08/2014 00:10

ami If the IDF care so much about avoiding civilian casualties why am I seeing pictures of dead babies in ice cream freezers??? Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry WAKE UP. We will not listen to these evil lies WE KNOW NOW. It is a fucking abomination.

June55 · 04/08/2014 00:10

but of course palestinian deaths man NOTHING to Israelis...hey?sadists

justasecond · 04/08/2014 00:12

"I have a BA and and MBA and I pay more tax than you ever will."
This is just nasty and unecessary and frankly makes you look a total arse.

runes · 04/08/2014 00:13

duvshaAnd another thing if the tunnel comes out in Israel why the fuck do you need to go into Gaza to destroy them. The terror tunnels excuse is bollocks and anyone with half a brain can see that.

duvsha · 04/08/2014 00:13

babbas,
if you would like to boycott israeli products by all means please do.

First, remove all Intel Pentium and Celeron computer processor chips from personal computers (desktops, laptops and notebooks) as these were either developed or manufactured in Israel.

Note that the revolutionary new Ivy Bridge processor will be manufactured in Israel. Any computers running the Windows XT operating system must be turned off immediately as this was developed in Israel. All current Microsoft operating systems are not to be used as Microsoft is heavily reliant on its Israel R&D centre.

Step 2. Any computers that still work need to have their anti-virus software and personal firewalls removed as this technology originated in Israel. The organisation’s firewall will also need to be switched off. Staff should no longer open external emails as most of these will be infected with viruses. No outgoing emails can be sent. The algorithm (code) that’s used today for sending e-mails, was made by an Israeli who worked at the Ben-Gurion University in Be’er-Sheva in 1980.

Step 3. Discard all mobile phones, as this technology was developed in Israel, where the first mobile phones were manufactured. Mobile chip technology from a single Israeli company has now been installed in over 100 million devices. Only top-level staff may retain mobile phones for emergency situations. However the use of SMS (Texting) is expressly forbidden as this facility was developed in Israel. No 4G devices can be used, as the chipset is Israeli.

Step 4. Turn off your voice-mail service and delete any recorded messages. Israeli companies invented the voice-mail system. If someone you do not know answers your phone-call, then hang up. Israeli call-centres and call-centre technology is in widespread operation in the UK.

Step 5. Before accepting any printed material, check that the supplier has not used the Israeli device that might have saved up to 50% of the ink used.

Step 6. At home, do not use Facebook as many in-built and add-on applications are Israeli-developed. Do not watch videos on the Internet as the platform used to upload them may be from AOL and hence from an Israeli company. Do not use the Internet to search for answers to your questions as this may involve use of an Israeli-developed search engine. Better to remain unenlightened.

Step 7. On your TV or home entertainment centre, do not use Video On Demand (VOD) to watch movies as you may inadvertently see an advert displayed using Israeli software. Do not purchase any games devices as these are likely to use Israeli technology.

Step 8. Do not read books using an e-book as this may contain Israeli technology. Do not use data storage as it may have been developed at Israel’s storage technology R&D center.

Step 9. Do not buy an electric car as it is likely to be powered with an Israeli battery or use Israeli developed charging mats. Continue to sit in traffic knowing that you are polluting the environment and financing oil-rich despotic regimes.

Turning to food and drink, all food outlets on the organisation’s premises must dispose of cherry tomatoes, which were developed in Israel. Staff must ensure that no cherry tomatoes are included in sandwiches brought into office premises. The ban also applies to honey and any products derived from honey. Israel has developed solutions to the worldwide problem of bee-colony collapse, so that any products derived from bees might only be available now due to an Israeli invention.

Avoid drinking any of the world-recognized award-winning Israeli wines. Do not consume homemade drinks from Israeli-manufactured household drinks machines.

Avoid any fruit from South Africa or Peru as produce from these countries is being marketed with Israeli brand names.

No agricultural products from the following areas must be consumed as they use water irrigation and agricultural technology provided directly from Israel. This includes most of Africa, China, India, Indonesia (a Muslim country), Nepal and many others.

Much fruit and vegetables (including organic) imported into the UK has been enhanced using Israeli technology. This may save millions of people from starving around the world, but is not a good reason for you to eat it. To be safe, only eat fruit and vegetables that you have grown yourself using seeds that have been in your family for generations.

Destroy all personal medication. Israel’s Teva Pharmaceuticals, the largest generic drugs company in the world, will have manufactured many of your medicines. Staff with the following illnesses will need to take specific precautions.

Cancer – do not take any form of medication or treatment. Israeli scientists have been working at the forefront of oncology for decades.

AIDS and HIV – beware; researchers at Israel’s Weizmann Institute or Hebrew University developed or improved AZT and Hypericin-based drugs; they have also developed a treatment that destroys HIV-infected cells without damaging healthy ones.

Diabetes – do not measure or inject Insulin using the devices developed by Israeli scientists.

Multiple Sclerosis – stop taking Copaxone, one of the most efficient medicines and the only non-interferon agent, as Teva developed it. Don’t touch Laquinimod either.

Parkinson’s – remove the Israel-pioneered brain pacemaker to stop tremors. Discontinue Levodopa, which reduces motor disturbances. Cease sessions that involve magnetic cortex stimulation.

Staff with a family history of heart disease and arteriosclerosis must not use the Israeli device for early detection of these. Rather, wait until onset of the disease.

Epileptics – stop treatment that may have benefited from the Israeli discovery of the underlying mutant gene; also throw away the bracelet that sends out an alert when a person goes into seizure.

Staff or relatives with Age-related Macular Degeneration – remove Israeli implants that arrest the disease.

Liver disease – abandon Israeli-developed antibody immunotherapy treatments.

Emphysema – steer clear of the Israeli protein replacement therapy.

Myeloma – stop taking the drug Velcade, which was developed over a period of 30 years by scientists at Haifa.

Sleep apnea – no tests using the breakthrough Israeli device for diagnosis.

Dyslexics must not benefit from the Israeli Internet-based reading system.

Skin allergies must be treated with steroid creams only, as the new safer non-steroid alternative is Israeli.

Any incident of stroke or head trauma or onset of Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, MS, epilepsy, glaucoma or brain tumor must avoid using any of the Weizmann Institute’s patented methods of treatment.

Before any surgery or medical tests, check that hospital catheters have not been protected from infection using the new plastic from Israel that disables microorganisms. Avoid throat surgery as this may utilize Israeli surgical lasers.

Ensure any colonoscopy or gastro investigation does not use internal Israeli cameras such as the Pillcam. Never undergo surgery to install an artificial heart, as the first artificial heart transplant took place in Israel.

Kidney transplant patients must wait for donors of the same blood group as only Israel’s revolutionary new methods allow donors from other blood groups. Staff of Arab origin must not make use of the only database for matching potential Arab donors of bone-marrow – in Israel.

In the event of a spinal injury or disease, do not accept spinal implants – likely to be an Israeli product or development. Heart rhythm problems must not be solved with the Israeli-developed heart pulse generator. All heart stents are off-limits as most of these originate from Israeli medical companies.

Check all vaccines as many of these have been developed in Israel. Ensure that all X-rays do carry a radiation risk, as the only radiation-free system is Israeli. Treatments derived from Stem Cell research must be avoided as most of these are Israeli-developed.

If you or your family are struck with a bacterial infection, do not take alternatives to older, ineffective bacteria-resistant antibiotics, as an Israeli discovery will have been responsible for the modern, effective drugs. Check that any pain relief medication is not based on soya as an Israeli doctor discovered the beneficial effect of the soya bean.

Do not use the revolutionary new Israeli bandage that saved the life of Arizona senator Gabriella Giffords after she was shot in the head. If you break a bone badly, reject any treatment that involves introducing collagen, as this may have been manufactured from Israeli plants.

Do not protect babies and infants from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome with the Babysense system from Israel.

Do not use Epilady (or epilator) – two Israelis invented this hair removal device.

Finally, reject all major dental treatment, as your teeth may need to be scanned with an Israeli-developed dental scanner.

June55 · 04/08/2014 00:15

israel authorities are criminals end off, commit crimes against humanity and no one stops them

Let all the israeli mothers imagine their childs face blown off and still support their govt doing it the fk bastards

I soooooo hope their karma is very very DIRE

AmIIndecisive · 04/08/2014 00:15

Between 133,000 and 147,000 civilians were killed in Iraq by British, US, French and German forces.

It all seems a bit hypocritical to me somehow, where was the uproar then? Oh that's right, it wasn't Israel.

I pray for Peace and I think we all should, not try and rip each other apart on Mumsnet.

babbas · 04/08/2014 00:16

Woah there! Good Google skills.

In other news sodas team. Was kicked out of the UK earlier this year and today it was announced that its major shareholder had withdrawn his investment. Boycott divest sanction all the way.

duvsha · 04/08/2014 00:16

justasecond,
i've already been called a plonker and a troll so arse is just added to the rest. And if people can't have a normal conversation without calling someone names then you are not worthy of having a conversation with at all.

somewheresafe · 04/08/2014 00:17

Sodastream not soda team.

somewheresafe · 04/08/2014 00:17

And yes I'm glad it's been outed from John lewis.

AmIIndecisive · 04/08/2014 00:19

Wow Duvsha, very interesting list but somehow I think boycotting products, given that list, will be highly selective for this thread - how else would people post without a laptop, mobile phone or PC!

runes · 04/08/2014 00:20

duvsha wow all that expertise and yet no one in Israel thought about destroying these terror tunnels from the Israeli endHmm