Part 2: Israeli-Palestinian conflict

[AndHarry]

Starting a new thread as the original is almost full.

The original thread is here. It was started on 1st July after three Israeli boys were found murdered, before the murder of the Palestinian boy and the resumption of sustained rocket attacks and Operation Protective edge.

There are lots of excellent posts and links in the original thread showcasing a variety of views. The main consensus was that there is fault on both sides. We also considered various options for people on both sides of the conflict to work towards a lasting peace.

Israel only want a ceasefire on their terms. Everyone knows that. They want no resistance whatsoever and to capture and occupy the west bank without any protest.

Announcing the ground offensive when the news is breaking about the Malaysian flight disaster is also very tactical. Israel thinks it can go in without the world creating a fuss and accusing Israel of war crimes. Bombing from the air, sea and now the ground invasion.

I absolutely do not support suicide bombings quivering. Do you support apartheid and murder?

' the PA in their ceasefire demands that ceasefire can never happen because Israel cannot possibly fulfill the demands made of a third party'

The PA are funded by outside elements such as the EU etc. They can be pressured to pay salaries and it seems unlikely that foreign powers would allow the fact that they are not paying Hamas's salaries to hold up a deal that may bring peace.

Suicide bombing is a form of resistance for the palestinians. It is not something I approve of so stop trying to manipulate my words please quivering and stick to defending the oppressors.

The actions of Israel in Gaza are truely horrifying, I'm at a loss to understand how anyone can try to justify the unjustifiable, the numbers speak for themselves 220 Palestinians dead and 1 Israeli.
A ground offensive tonight too! Not quite enough to terrorise the Palestinians by air and sea!
So, so depressing.

Oh ffs quivering I am not answering your question again. Read my last response. Can you answer my question? Do you support apartheid?

I am baffled that you can challenge me without challenging the actions of israel.

It is sickening, I will be out this weekend at my third demonstration against what Israel is doing. Going out on demos does not feel like enough but I don't know what else to do on a practical level.

I really do not understand how people can continue to try and justify Israel's actions, the air strikes have killed many civilians including the elderly, disabled, people in hospital and children. The line that Israel is defending itself and that it is actually Hamas that is to blame for using it's people as human shields is wearing thin now. Social media is providing an alternative viewpoint to mainstream news sources and is enabling us to see that Israel is in fact engaging in collective punishment.

I have no doubt that we will look back on this in years to come in the same way that we look back at apartheid in SA.

'Human shields'
Do the 'shields' just act as 'shields' willingly?
And if not, how come so many people voted for Hamas, who it is said, use them as 'human shields'?

Human shields and collective punishment are not mutually exclusive? ! The former has become of the excuses Israel uses to bomb children women and the disabled, the latter being a contravention of international law used by Israel to oppress the palestinians.

Whether you like it or not suicide bombings are a form of resistance for the palestinians. If you have issues with this I suggest you speak to Palestinians and their families.

Does being a Palestinian 'human shield' prevent hospitals being bombed etc? How effective is a Palestinan 'human shield'?

I do not support nor agree with suicide bombing in any way. It is wrong (and also wrong islamically) However I can understand why Palestinians in the desperate situation that they are and against the ruthless might of the Israeli military and their sophisticated weaponry would resort to this. You can only push broken people so far before they do something like that.
Unfortunately these cycles of violence has been going on so long now that both sides have voted in extremes who will never speak to each other and it is the ordinary people who continue to suffer.

Going to put in my penny worth....

From all the reports/videos/pictures in the media over the past few days all I can determine is that Israel is murdering innocents. They should be ashamed of themselves especially doing this in the holy month of Ramadan. I'm still haunted by the pictures of disabled children's hospital that was bombed! There is no justification for bombing hospitals it's simply murder. How can they justify killing so many children? It's a crime against humanity. To top it all off now the ground offence...

like many people around the world I will be praying for the people of Gaza tonight especially the terrified children (most of whom have lost parents/siblings).

As for Hamas they were elected into power like any other party!

I hope one day the world leaders will wake up and stop the murdering of innocent but unfortunately that day seems very far!!!

Quivering that is Israeli propaganda and you know it. Just ask yourself, if you knew a bomb was coming in your house would you stay in there with your dc just because David Cameron or Nick Clegg told you to? Please credit the Palestinians with an iota of intelligence.

And Israel doesn't kill

quivering what use is the warning when the Palestinians have nowhere to go??? As far as I know all the borders are shut

Oh dear quivering. Suicide bombs kill indiscriminately you say? And ariel bombs don't? You do know that 4 children were killed on a beach yesterday and 3 children from.1 family were killed today whilst feeding pigeons on their roof.

You really cannot comment on palestinian killings on this thread when the body count is currently 227 -1 in favour of israel. And given that israels economy minister Bennett has stated that Israel is moving from 'iron dome to iron fist' there will be many more deaths by the time we wake up in the morning.

Israel obviously used the sham ceasefire to galvanise their ground troops. How many stone throwing kids will the tanks bulldoze tonight do you think?

Quivering do you have similar 'issues' with the IDF because they kill indiscriminately too?