Oscar Pistorius trial part 4

[Pennies]

Here you go.

I think if he goes to prison there is a possibility he will end his own life, I don't think he will cope at all, I do feel he will get a prison sentence, I think this whole awful tragedy is going to end in even more tragedy.

Well, if that were to pass it would not be a tragedy (if he killed himself) if he DID mean to shoot her.

london she had her phone with her so that could have acted as a light. Many of us have said we do this at night as the main lights are too bright after being in the dark. Many have said they don't.

But if she flushed the toilet why didn't he hear it????

I can hear toilets flushing next door in the small hours, let alone in my own house!!! Right next door to the bedroom !!

I do it, too, use the phone I mean. I dunno, I just find it really odd that he didn't hear her get up, go to the bathroom and why didn't he hear her lock the toilet door?!

Has anything been said about that?

What I have just thought is that if OP actually meant to kill Reeva, why didn't he take a moment to clear the crime scene of anything obvious? Take the phone back to the bed? Unlock the toilet door?

If she flushed it then OP would have to explain why he thought an intruder would go to the bother of flushing a toilet, surely? Or is that another one of his memory lapses?

We sometimes don't flush at night (urine) to not wake everyone else up.

Hmm.

After watching all these lawyer experts on TV. Not one of them have saidthat Oscar has come across well

Although I suppose that you're more likely to flush in the early stages of a relationship....no-one wants their new bf/gf to find their unflushed urine in the bottom of the toilet bowl in the morning

If they had a crazy row, he'd be acting out of a red mist and wouldn't have been thinking logically.

I think his remorse and years are genuine. I think he deliberately killed her and regrets it wholeheartedly.

Still murder.

*tears

Maybe she got up to go to the loo but didn't have time. Opened the window, went in and locked the door, then it all kicks off.

Her bladder was empty though.

But how how how can he not have heard her close the door? Surely he'd check immediately to see if it was her, by reflex almost?

And can anyone tell me how there was enough light to negotiate a door, cables and fans, but not to see Reeva?

Nerd I think they've said her bladder was empty indicative of going to the loo in past hour, so unless she involuntarily went after being shot then she had to have gone before. No urine in the bowl means a flush.

Nerf not nerd sorry ipad autocorrect.

Let's go from Mr Nels side then, he is saying there was an argument and she fled to the toilet, if this was the case, again why was her bladder empty, at some point she must have wanted the toilet.

Why did Nel not ask about the sound of the flush. Given that there was no urine in the bowl, either she did flush, in which case Op must have heard it, or she was in the toilet for reasons other than weeing.

(Or not to see Reeva's absence?)

And still, how does he manage to "run" on his stumps, in pitch black darkness in the bedroom, and not fall over anything, while holding a loaded and cocked gun in his right hand ??? (After the shooting, when he's trying to find Reeva in the bedroom)

Oh and when he has rung for help and he is about to go downstairs to open the front door, he has the presence of mind to turn off the alarms on the key fob before leaving the bedroom? He said he can't remember doing so, but he must have since the alarms didn't go off when he left the bedroom.

1. Why would you turn an alarm off when you are raising the alarm IYSWIM
2. Would you even think about it when you have just "accidentally" killed someone

I don't think that the alarm was set in the first place.

In the argument version she can have gone anytime in the past hour, in the intruder story it needs to have been within the last 2 mins.

London - when he moved fans etc wasn't the balcony doors/curtains open? So light from outside probably coming in? He then closed the doors/curtains and this is when he picked jeans up to cover the blue LED light, from his version anyway.

OP said the duvet was on the bed, covering Reeva. This gave him a reason for not seeing that she was not there. If it was such a hot night that they needed fans and windows open, why we're they sleeping under the duvet?

Question re: the documents that the defence and prosecution hand in to the judge at the end of the trial - a summary of each sides case I think? Are these made public? It would be good to see the arguments written down clearly, in black and white. It's been hard to keep up with some of the conflicting points.

I think he'll be found not guilty of murder. This isn't necessarily that I think that he's guilty (it changes daily!) but I just don't think the prosecution have produced a water-tight case, though Nel gave it a good go. However, I'm not a legal expert so what do I know!