Nigel Farage expels entire UKIP membership for bringing party into disrepute

[ttosca]

The entire membership of UKIP across Britain – including councillors, MEPs and grassroots activists- has been expelled from the party following a hearing in front of a UKIP disciplinary panel in London.

Details of the reasons for the expulsions have not been disclosed, but party leader Nigel Farage confirmed to the media that it was in response to allegations that the entire membership was full of intolerant, narrow-minded, crackpot dingbats who pretend to be libertarian but in fact simply don’t like foreigners and homosexuals much.

In response to the mass expulsions, the former UKIP membership said they “feel sickened” at the way they had been treated and planned to appeal against the decision.

Immediately after the expulsions, the disciplinary panel members announced they had also expelled themselves from the party for bringing the party into disrepute, leaving Mr Farage as the sole UKIP member.

tompride.wordpress.com/2014/01/19/nigel-farage-expels-entire-ukip-membership-for-bringing-party-into-disrepute/

ITV - Farage assaulted by socialist protesters in Margate.

Socialists - they're the nice ones, aren't they? The lovely cuddly ones. Assaulting a politician of a legitimate political party. Holding up placards saying 'Nasty little Nigel'. That's mature. That's advancing the political debate.

It's this climate of hate which has been perpetrated by the left-wing media outlets which has led to it being considered acceptable to assault UKIP MEPs.

Isitmebut

Fantastic, finally someone who don't sound like a Borg Drone, so why haven't Ukip "invoked"or ""revoked, and would more MEP seats in May 2014 help the invoke/revoke process???

It can only be done through Parliament. It would require a vote in Parliament to invoke article 50.

More MEP seats in May won't directly cause a Parliamentary vote. But it will create pressure for one. It creates an income stream for the political campaign to get the UK out of the EU.

There's some debate about the best mechanism to get the UK out of the EU. The Institute of Economic Affairs is running a competition for a blueprint for an exit from the EU.

Claig…for the first time in many years, the 2015 general Election will be fought on two very different platforms, as the pretence New Labour was anything other than Old Labour sucking up to the City, has gone.

Furthermore, the coalition has changed many things since 2010, so for Ukip to appeal to anyone other than those who do not spend anytime following politics, Ukip needs to explain what different changes that THEY have in mind – as currently, with no firm policies on their own and don’t have enough internal talent to form a pub crawl, never mind a government – the onus is on Ukip to impress with substance.

So NEWSFLASH , the main “spinners” are Ukip regurgitating the SAME ‘we are the alternative’ message, without pointing out what is ‘different’.

Look I’m sure that Farage has calculated that by just sending out the Drones repeating themselves, it will get you through the May 2014 EU elections, but seriously mate, your lack of message on here, yet claiming you are different, is only raising laughs, not support.

Mumsnet deserves better, so go away and find some policies, up your game a bit, and then ‘wow us’ with Farage’s sheer brilliance.

slug

Because he didn't feel free enough to make these bat shit claims when he was a tory councillor. UKIP freed him up to spout the poison with impunity

Actually, when he was a Tory councillor he said that if Cameron went through with the gay marriage policy it would cause disasters.

Flatpackhamster…thank you very much for your answer below, it basically confirms what I have thought.
“It can only be done through Parliament. It would require a vote in Parliament to invoke article 50.

More MEP seats in May won't directly cause a Parliamentary vote. But it will create pressure for one. It creates an income stream for the political campaign to get the UK out of the EU.

There's some debate about the best mechanism to get the UK out of the EU. The Institute of Economic Affairs is running a competition for a blueprint for an exit from the EU.”

So to sum up, as the parliamentary Labour and Lib Dems parties WILL NOT leave the EU, far from it, and the Conservatives leaning towards pro EU, but only if heavily reformed - BUT wants to give ‘the people’ the Pro/Con E,U, debate and give them the final say, but they may need a majority in parliament to do it – voting for Ukip in either election is a COMPLETE waste of time, and to save taxpayers money, we should enter a competition instead?

Got it.

Sorry, but I'm not a drone for UKIP and am not your mate. I've been on here for years and I have backed the Tories for years, but they have let the people down so I have now switched to UKIP for local and euro elections and possibly for the general election too.

How long have you been on Mumsnet, because you sound like some desperate Tory stooge come on here to explain to us all why Cameron is the bee's knees and UKIP are a joke.

Don't waste your time on here. It's nearly all Labour supporters and progressives. You can count UKIP voters on the fingers of one hand. But MN is not representative of the public at large as shown by the poll which placed UKIP as the party seen most favourably by the public.

Unlike you, I'm not on a crusade to convert anyone to any party. I just enjoy analysing politics as an observer.

Isitmebut

So to sum up, as the parliamentary Labour and Lib Dems parties WILL NOT leave the EU, far from it, and the Conservatives leaning towards pro EU, but only if heavily reformed - BUT wants to give ‘the people’ the Pro/Con E,U, debate and give them the final say, but they may need a majority in parliament to do it – voting for Ukip in either election is a COMPLETE waste of time, and to save taxpayers money, we should enter a competition instead?

Got it.

Oh, I see. You wanted to be flippant. Silly me for thinking otherwise.

I'm happy to discuss this with you, but only if you can grow up.

'so for Ukip to appeal to anyone other than those who do not spend anytime following politics'

Don't you realise that that is nearly everyone?

Active party political people like you are far and few between. Most people have better things to do with their lives than devoting them to Cameron and the benefit of the Bullingdon Club.

You don't even understand why UKIP are popular and I have tried to explain it to you. UKIP voters don''t know the intricacies of EU legislation and Treaty clauses. They don't make decisoins on that basis. They vote on feeling, emotion and values and with passion. They're not party drones and borgs controlled by constituency associations or Central Office,

When I woke up early on that cold May morning to walk to my polling station at my local church, I didn't do so because of some Treaty clause in some lawyer's contract. I did it because of passion, because I wanted to have my voice heard to tell the Tories that they had let me down. And I wasn't alone, there were thousands of others just like me and we shocked the newspapers and the bigwigs and the pundits when they read the huge percentage of us who did exactly the same.

If you want to help the Tories, then have some respect for the voters and at least try and understand what they told you in huge numbers and what they are about to tell you in even huger numbers in the Euro elections.

Do you not know that Tory Party membership has halved under Cameron?

Instead of telling us how great Cameron and the Tories are, why don't you speak to the members in your local constituency association who have torn up their membership cards?

Lots of your councillors have switched to UKIP. Instead of insulting them, you'd do better to join.

You don't even understand why UKIP are popular and I have tried to explain it to you. UKIP voters don''t know the intricacies of EU legislation and Treaty clauses. They don't make decisoins on that basis. They vote on feeling, emotion and values and with passion. They're not party drones and borgs controlled by constituency associations or Central Office,

You mean to say they don't vote on reason or based on any of the facts?

We get, it claig, there is a strong anti-establishment feeling out there. Nobody disputes that. That doesn't make UKIP sane.

It doesn't mean that, rationally, UKIP will make anything better. Their policies are ignorant and reactionary. Blaming immigrants for the UK's problem's isn't going to solve a single thing, and in fact, will almost certainly make things worse.

ttosca, I'm not talking about all UKIP voters. Flatpackhamster is more knowledgeable than me about policy and treaties etc.

But the huge increase in votes for UKIP is because they are anti-establishment and millions of us are fed up with the puppets and the TweedleDee and TweedleDum spinners and teh "green crap" and the EU and austerity and the same old lies.

' That doesn't make UKIP sane.'
UKIP is made up of people and the people are sane and 25% or so of the great people of this country voted UKIP in the local elections to tell the puppets that enough is enough.

'It doesn't mean that, rationally, UKIP will make anything better.'
Maybe it won't, but the people are switching because they have had enough. It can't get much worse.A lot of arrogant MPs and councillors are going to lose their safe seats and their perks and their expenses because as the Daily Mail said in worried tones
"the revolt of the people is serious"

They have let millions of people down and they arrogantly think we are all just going to walk to the polling booths and say have another term and claim a few more bath plugs while you are at it.

Wake up. Huge changes are coming all over Europe. People are up to here with it and the puppets are going to be voted out and they are going to lose their perks and their right to lecture us about the "planet", the "polar bears" and all the rest of the crap that they have got away with for so long while letting our economy crumble and our bankers prosper.

And it is everyone who is fed up from the poor to the rich.

The people who now rely on foodbanks won't vote for the people who allowed this to happen and I doubt they will vote for Labour either, who are as usual pretending that they are on the side of Middle England and the "squeezed middle", as the election approaches.

Elections are not won on fine detail and arcane clauses, they are won on feeling, emotion, passions and trust.

There is an earthquake taking place, the people are rumbling and the puppets will be tumbling.

You're so confused, claig. I'm sad to see you haven't learned anything.

Claig…I do apologise about earlier, it was your message (or lack of) I was talking about, as earlier you were under the misguided assumption that your (lack of) message was GETTING UKIP VOTES, not turning those with half a brain off.

I’m happy for you that you appeal to those angry with society, but without political opinions during times of hardship, history confirms extreme right wing parties in Europe have counted on such people for years, where would the Nazi’s have been without a honking depression before hand? Currently look to France, where ‘more of the same’ socialist policies (not working) are turning voters to nationalist parties. Truly interesting political times.

But it also means more people is being drawn into politics, and as Ukip’s appeal falls down when they get down to specifics, come election time, your voters may be open to real policies, from real political parties.

Moreover if you truly analysed politics, you might see that your original home team (if it ever was), isn’t doing a bad job, based on 2010 being soo different to what they left in 1997, they could do better – but at least they HAVE firm policies and the guts to try something different, to the last team taking us down the road to Greece – so if there are policies that are different to the main parties, truly the platform is Ukips, good luck.

Maybe I am confused, but I am with the tide of public opinion as shown by the shock Independent/Sunday Mirror poll which astounded the bigwigs when they read that the public view UKIP as the most favourable party.

I am not saying I am right. I am not on a mission to convert anyone. I am just saying how I feel, and I think the poll results show that millions of others feel just like me.

You won't hear about it on the media, because they don't want to say it. They will carry on with stories of the "polar bear".

Flatpackhamster…I wasn’t being “flippant”, I just thought we finally had cut through the need for Ukip poo and came out the other end to the logical conclusion; Ukip isn’t a ‘change’, with all their negative political ‘noise’, if we can more likely achieve an EU exit via a competition, a Farage without any policies and telling porkies, by definition,is just a pimple on the bum of democracy.

' Currently look to France, where ‘more of the same’ socialist policies (not working) are turning voters to nationalist parties.'

Yes, that is what may likely happen. I can't do anything about it. It's not my fault, it is the fault of the corrupt elite who knighted bankers for services to banking and allowed all of the scandals and scams to occur on their watch. People dying of dehydration in hospitals, people losing their homes and businesses, people losing their council homes because they can't afford to pay the bedroom tax etc etc

'you might see that your original home team (if it ever was)'
Are you implying that I am lying when I said I voted Conservative and backed them?

I'm a real Conservative, not a moderniser, my favourite newspaper is the Daily Mail unlike the elite Tories. For me Dacre should be knighted and not some of the people that they choose to knight.

The only thing that will save the Tories is the economy, but and this is what you establishment Tories fail to understand, the real Tories, the Daily Mail Tories, are so fed up that the economy may not be enough for them and they may still vote UKIP in the same way that half of the Tory Party's membership tore up their membership cards.

So instead of insulting UKIP, which is where many real Tories have gone, you woud be better to try and win them back by understanding them rather than insulting them.

Isitmebut

Flatpackhamster…I wasn’t being “flippant”, I just thought we finally had cut through the need for Ukip poo and came out the other end to the logical conclusion; Ukip isn’t a ‘change’, with all their negative political ‘noise’, if we can more likely achieve an EU exit via a competition, a Farage without any policies and telling porkies, by definition,is just a pimple on the bum of democracy.

The Brexit competition is an attempt to view suggestions for exactly how the UK could leave the EU. What are the legal requirements? How exactly could it be achieved and what would be the best mechanism.

That doesn't imply that any of the old three parties would follow through on the Brexit competition, or even that they would read it. But if the UK is to leave the EU, we need some hard facts about how and when and what the consequence will be.

You had no logical conclusion at all, merely a flippant dismissal of Farage and UKIP. Who else, if not UKIP, is able to represent the views of those voters which the old three parties so easily disregard? The entire legacy media and political system is united in support of EU membership (save the Daily Express).

UKIP isn't just a vehicle for those opposed to EU membership but for disaffected voters and non-voters who feel that none of the old parties speak for them.

Maybe I am confused, but I am with the tide of public opinion as shown by the shock Independent/Sunday Mirror poll which astounded the bigwigs when they read that the public view UKIP as the most favourable party.

I am not saying I am right. I am not on a mission to convert anyone. I am just saying how I feel, and I think the poll results show that millions of others feel just like me.

You still don't get it: UKIP is a symptom, not a cure - and you should not be promoting or defending them.

You keep going on about UKIP as if they're a solution to the UKs problem. It's like ranting about how great it is that a person's skin is falling off, because it shows they have leprosy. The point isn't to promote skin falling off, as if it were a good thing. It's a very bad thing. The point is to cure leprosy. The skin falling of will only harm the patient.

You won't hear about it on the media, because they don't want to say it. They will carry on with stories of the "polar bear".

Idiotic. And this is why it's important to actually know what the problem is and what you're voting for. Otherwise you scapegoat people, things, and issues (immigrants, global warming, communists, whatever) that have nothing to do with the real cause of social and economic problems.

Here's a clue: The problem isn't people concerned about the environment. The problem is that we live in a plutocracy. The world is run by the rich and by corporations. Governments merely serve their interest.

Now run along and learn something and stop peddling ignorant crap.

You are so blind in your socialist fervour that you fail to understand what is happening. You should listen to people other than Comrade Bala and his circle of activists to understand what is going on.

Of course we live in a plutocracy and the world is run by the rich and corporations and it is they who promote the "polar bear" and the "green crap" that Cameron apparently has pretended that he wants to cut against the wishes of his plutocratic masters in a desperate attempt to court public approval.

It is exactly because of the symptom of us living in a plutocracy of the privileged elite, the Bullingdon Club, the Chipping Norton set and the chumocracy of bankers and think tank social entrepreneur fund charity foundations that people are voting for the party that opposes them and their wishes of EU membership and climate catastrophe carbon taxes and windfarms littered all over the countryside together with taxpayer subsidies to the aristocratic chumocracy who erect these windmills on their landed estates.

It is UKIP that stands opoosed to their sacred cows of windfarms, carbon capture devices and the EU bureaucracy which removes our national sovereignty and fulfills the wishes of the European plutocratic elite. It was UKIP along with Diane Abbott and some principled Labour people and some principled Tory MPs who opposed the strike on Syria.

The opposition to their globalist plans and schemes is UKIP because UKIP are for a return to the sovereignty of the nation state and this is contrary to the wishes of the global plutocrats who wish to destroy sovereignty so as to implement more globalisation without any national opposition.

You are a socialist and you probably don't care about sovereignty and don't understand how crucial it is to independence and democracy and to rule by the people. It is called the UK Independence Party because it wants independence from the EU superstate and the unelected plutocrats who control it and pull the puppets' strings.

But there was a time when socialists were against the EU and many still are such as Arthur Scargill who knows that it was formed to aid big business and create a single market which would eliminate any protectionism or national controls that would hinder the globalisation wished for by big business.

Unfortunately you are on the fringes of politics in radical left wing movements that have little public support. They will change nothing. All across Europe however people are now turning to Eurosceptic and climate sceptic parties that defy the wishes of the global elite.

They asked Farage, doesn't he care that his policies might lead to a lower GDP, and he said no, because some things are more important than money such as our way of life and not spoiling the greenbelt etc. It is not money and teh plutocrats' purse that motivates UKIP, it is a right to self-determination and freedom from rule by an unelected international elite.

After the Euro elections, Europe will be changed forever because right wing populist parties will be approx 30-35% of the EU parliament and they have said that they will put an end to many of the policies pushed by the elite.

That is the real opposition to the plutocrats and that is why all their media puppets are shouting "racist" at UKIP. They know that their "green crap" and all their other "crap" and lies are on the way out.

Open you eyes and listen to others apart from Comrade Bala and you might learn what is really happening and understand that the national independence movements across Europe spell the end of the EU and the beginning of the end of the rule by unelected plutocrats.

Claig…an interesting answer to MY last post, but you DO realise, that whether Ukip get 1, 20, 50 or 100 parliamentary seats at the next General Election, either the Labour or Conservative Party ARE GUARANTEED to form the next government in 2015?

I repeat, either a Labour or Conservative Party will form the next administration, probably the former.

I say that as your detailed anger against the Tories seem rather ‘small picture’ in detail, when there was a 13-year ‘big picture’ legacy that would have severely limited ANY new 2010 government’s options, never mind the (Conservative led) coalition’s options.

Yet still you tell me that you follow politics and “are a real Tory, not a modernizer”, but blaming the fallout of Labour’s legacy on Conservative modernizers; when those Labour policies were the OPPOSITE of the Conservatives core ideology. That the State should be at big as it needs to be, that a thriving Private Sector provides more jobs and PAYS for the public sector (rather than debt and ever higher taxes) and therefore individuals get to keep more of their own salary, to pay for their own choices.

Labour’s record in power, the salient policies, having inherited the best decade in 100-years to make important social changes, make provisions for pensioners, build enough homes and a sustainable economic model.

Labour were the most spun media controlled and corrupt administration in living memory with ‘Blairs cash for Lordships’ investigated by the police and MP expenses totally out of hand on THEIR watch and Labour’s Parliament Speaker Michael Martin running the show, Knighted for his services to MP’s expenses.

Pro EU without trusting the people to vote… pro swing door immigration from 2004 for personal gain AND without increasing home building to make room …with 580,000 under 25-year olds here already unemployed... pro dumbed down education results to make the thick feel better rather than raise standards…pro needless laws/police State… pro Human Rights Act in 1998 causing so many ‘rights’ problems.

Pro killer germ infested NHS hospitals hiring more managers than nurses.. pro saddling hospital with 25-year Private Finance Initiative debts….pro 24-hour drinking, gambling and declassifying drugs….pro expensive quangos costing over £70 bil a year to run.. pro expensive to run local government (with non jobs) leading to Council Tax hikes up 110% on their watch..

Pro raiding private pension funds from 1998 to near final salary extinction...pro screwing state pensioners with derisory annual State pension e.g. 75p in 2000….pro raising the lower band tax rate to screw the poor in 2007…pro sale of 40% of UK gold reserves under $300 an ounce versus $1.900 high…..pro relaxation of banking regulation to dangerous levels pre financial crash..…pro sending 1 million of our manufacturing jobs elsewhere by 2005 BEFORE the crash

Pro lying to go to war and without equipping soldiers with basic kit and helicopters... ….pro nuclear energy to stop lights going off in 2015, but didn’t get around to building any.…pro defence/Trident, who knows, let someone else get around to it….and leaving us less domestic food production secure than in 1997.

With a balanced budget in 2002/3 having adopted 1997 Tory spending plans, pro ANNUAL budget deficit MORE than £160 bil a year in 2010 and national debt of £1.5 trillion by 2015 needing unpopular austerity, or go the way of bankrupt Greece…….pro equality but left power in 2010 with more inequality than in 1997…and finally as mentioned in their 2010 manifesto, pro increased taxes to pay for ALL their incompetence (that will then kill economic growth), they never got around to telling us about in any detail, but like death, you know it is coming.

Yet is it Cameron modernizers that are ‘out of touch’ with the needs of ‘the people’, or are they trying to handle the fallout from the political party that was meant to represent them???

Labour having inherited the best decade in 100-years to make important social changes, make provisions for pensioners, reduce domestic unemployment, build enough homes and a sustainable economic model – failed miserably, and most of us have a right to be angry, especially the young - but if you ever had Conservative values you would understand who should take the blame AND that a vote for Ukip in 2015, will ensure another pro EU Labour administration, WITH NOT A CHANCE IN HELL of a Ukip one.

As Ukip’s main policy is to get the UK out of the EU and their very existence ENSURES we stay in the EU via a Labour led administration, ironic don’t you think, and probably tells us more about Ukips values, than those of the Conservatives.

If you don't believe me because I am just confused, then read Matin Wolf's excellent article in the Financial Times called "Failing elites threaten our future".

It is the failure of the elites and their policies that has led to the rise of populism and UKIP etc and these populist parties are opposed to the failing policies of the elites and that is why people are voting for these parties because they are the opposite of the elite's policies.

That is why the elites are worried because teh gravy trains, the "green crap" and even some of the globalisation may now be over. How will the elites react? We don't yet know. At the moment they have told their puppets to shout "racist", "fruitcake" and "loon", but it hasn't worked because that is only driving more people to the populists.

'First, the economic, financial, intellectual and political elites mostly misunderstood the consequences of headlong financial liberalisation. Lulled by fantasies of self-stabilising financial markets, they not only permitted but encouraged a huge and, for the financial sector, profitable bet on the expansion of debt. The policy making elite failed to appreciate the incentives at work and, above all, the risks of a systemic breakdown.

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Second, in the past three decades we have seen the emergence of a globalised economic and financial elite. Its members have become ever more detached from the countries that produced them. In the process, the glue that binds any democracy – the notion of citizenship – has weakened.

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Third, in creating the euro, the Europeans took their project beyond the practical into something far more important to people: the fate of their money. Nothing was more likely than frictions among Europeans over how their money was being managed or mismanaged.

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a trio of unelected bureaucracies – the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund. The peoples of adversely affected countries have no influence upon them. The politicians who are accountable to them are powerless. This divorce between accountability and power strikes at the heart of any notion of democratic governance. The eurozone crisis is not just economic. It is also constitutional.

None of these failures matches in any way the follies of 1914. But they are big enough to cause doubts about our elites. The result is the birth of angry populism throughout the west, mostly the xenophobic populism of the right. The characteristic of rightwing populists is that they kick down. If elites continue to fail, we will go on watching the rise of angry populists. The elites need to do better. If they do not, rage may overwhelm us all."

www.ft.com/cms/s/0/cfc1eb1c-76d8-11e3-807e-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2qygIW2Xk

It is inevitable that the elite's plan will eventually fail. I used to believe that the elite were all-powerful and could force anything on us, but I no longer believe that. The people do count and their voice does count and it is the people's populist parties that may well dismantle the elite's castle and restore sovereignty and democracy to every nation in Europe.

It is a wave, a tide, a tidal wave and the opinion polls point to it. Alone we are merely powerless individuals, but together we are a tide and the tide is turning and the "green crap" among other things will be stranded on the shore.

Isitmebut, you don't have to convince me about Labour. I know they are a joke with their pretence of supporting Middle England and their disdain of the Daily Mail and their wish to impose biometric ID cards and DNA databases on the people of Britain and their wish to regulate our free press such as our great Daily Mail that opposes and exposes them at every turn.

Of course I prefer the Tories to them, but I am a real Tory, a Daily Mail reader, and I don't like some of the "Tories" in power now, even though there are still many good ones in there.

But you fail to understand the issue of trust. The Tories who left the party and the voters who abandoned them no longer trust the "modernisers", the hug-a-hoodies, the "vote blue go green" global warming alarmists, the "let's bomb Syria" crowd. Many real Tories are thinking what will they do if we trust them again, will they be more progressive than Gordon Brown?

That's the problem they have got, they listened to teh metropolitan trendies, they read the Guardian columnists and ignored their voters and their hardworking local activists. Can they win them back? i don't know, but they certainly won't do that if they keep insulting them.

Claig….I’m sorry, but reading your comments on being a ex voting Conservative is like listening to the sincerity of fake endorsements of the latest exercise video or diet shake, reeling off stuff like ‘I used to vote Conservative, but have now lost 30lbs, now that weight has been removed from my conscience’ type Ukip propaganda, on small issues slogans, on relatively small issues.

The KEY issues Conservative that are important to everyday life and took a basket case economy in 1979 and delivered the fastest growing economy in Europe in 1997, for Labour to wreck again, have been proved to STILL be in place over the past 4-years, which are diametrically OPPOSITE to the Labour Party and proven to work.

The issues you mention are small beer, if any Tories don’t stuff like gay marriage or some green issues and go to Ukip, the fascists are welcome to them, especially if they go to a party that HIDES their last manifesto from their party website – so p-lease don’t lecture me on political trust when Farage /Ukip have no records as parliamentary MP’s, never mind ministers and makes up policies on the hoof.

When Ukip FINALLY have to nail their newest key policies to the mast, for the voters to see, those voters will get to see how similar, rather than ‘different’, they are to the Conservatives in core issues – and anyone with half a brain will say if I really want a say in E.U. membership, why the hell am I bothering with Ukip – as a vote for Ukip, is a vote for a pro EU Labour administration - fact.

Isitmebut, I am sorry but it is your type of arrogance and disdain for the "small beer" that has led the Tories into the straits they are now in.

I am just a little person, a "small beer" person. I'm not a £600,000 a year human rights lawyer or environmental lawyer. I care about the little things. I care about our way of life, I care about our bins and our weekly collections, I care that pensioners were fined £100 for not closing their bin lids. The £600,000 human rights lawyers in Islington probably don't care about that. They probably laugh at this "small beer".

It is because I am one of the little people that little things count for me and don't count for them. I can't change the world, I'm not a mover and shaker, but I've got a brain and when I see propaganda for the "polar bear" I know they are trying to pull the wool and take me for a mug. When the puppets fly to Rio to try and implement the elite's Agenda 21 plan on the people, I say I don't agree. They can't disagree with it because they are the puppets, but I can disagree because i am one of the little people and am more free than the puppets.

I am a real Tory in that I have real Tory values, but unlike you, I don't care about the Tory Party, I care only about values. I don't care about the Bullingdon Club or the Chipping Norton Set and if they don't hold the same values as I do, then I will stop voting for them.

'and anyone with half a brain will say if I really want a say in E.U. membership, why the hell am I bothering with Ukip'

I have tried to explain to you that the vote for UKIP has gone way beyond opposition to the EU. The "modernisers" advised the Tories to drop anti EU campaigns because they didn't work back in Howards's and Hagues's days, because the people didn't care enough about that. You seem to think that the UKIP vote is about EU treaties and clauses. I've tried to explain to you that it goes way beyond that. It is about values.

'those voters will get to see how similar, rather than ‘different’, they are to the Conservatives in core issues'

But voters will say that UKIP are the "real Tories" and the hug-a-hoodies, windmills on their roofs, Bullingdon Club are the impostors.

I admire you for fighting for your party, but you are unfortunately misguided and you are not listening to the voters. They told you in the local elections and are telling you in the polls, and I have tried to explain it to you, but all you can do is mock. Wait and see what happens in the Euro elections, maybe you will wake up and understand then.

Good luck, you're going to need it.