Nigel Farage expels entire UKIP membership for bringing party into disrepute

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The entire membership of UKIP across Britain – including councillors, MEPs and grassroots activists- has been expelled from the party following a hearing in front of a UKIP disciplinary panel in London.

Details of the reasons for the expulsions have not been disclosed, but party leader Nigel Farage confirmed to the media that it was in response to allegations that the entire membership was full of intolerant, narrow-minded, crackpot dingbats who pretend to be libertarian but in fact simply don’t like foreigners and homosexuals much.

In response to the mass expulsions, the former UKIP membership said they “feel sickened” at the way they had been treated and planned to appeal against the decision.

Immediately after the expulsions, the disciplinary panel members announced they had also expelled themselves from the party for bringing the party into disrepute, leaving Mr Farage as the sole UKIP member.

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Half the Tory Party members

Here's the legendary Heffer of Daily Mail fame. He spells it out.

Isitmebut, do you read Heffer and the Daily Mail or do you reverently read Owen Jones and Left Foot Backward?

Does Tory HQ find time to read the Daily Mail after they have finished studying Ecology Today, the Guardian and the latest brochure on rooftop wind turbine technology?

'With characteristic obstinacy, David Cameron refused over the past few years to react to the defection of thousands of natural Tories to Ukip.

He wouldn’t change his wrong-headed, irrelevant and in some cases poisonous policies that drove them away. So what happened in Thursday’s elections was not so much a defeat as a self-inflicted wound.

The effect of this tidal change in British politics is that without some sort of accommodation with Ukip, the Conservatives haven’t got a prayer of winning the next General Election.

But there will be no accommodation while Mr Cameron — whose disastrous, Left-leaning brand of leadership I have criticised since he stood for leader of his party in 2005 — remains in charge.

In any case, why should Ukip leader Nigel Farage strike a deal? Both in private and public, Ukip has offered many olive branches to the Tories, for example asking for the public to be offered a swift in-out EU referendum.

Yet it has been snubbed by an arrogant, out-of-touch leadership that believed the policies popular with the so-called ‘Notting Hill Set’ would resonate with the rest of the country.

They were wrong, and Thursday’s disastrous results prove it.

The Tories’ hapless chairman, Grant Shapps, tries to be humble in saying: ‘We get the message. We heard you.’

But they don’t, and they haven’t.

Tory ministers think the message is about tougher immigration controls and faster economic growth.

But that is only part of it.

The truth is that the Farage Factor consists of a lot more."

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2319152/SIMON-HEFFER-Theres-way-Dave-stub-Farage.html

Claig…re my question “Is or is Ukip not a leading member of the far-right wing Europe of Freedom & Democracy (EFD) groupas mentioned in that link??”

You say that you do not know.

Then I will help you, as if you look on the EFD website, they only appear to have eight individual MEP members in the UK. And if you click on this link, you see eight smiling faces, all from Ukip, with the smiling face of Mr Farage right at the top.
www.efdgroup.eu/members/by-member-states/category/united-kingdom.html

So all things considered, you/Ukip are in no position to lecture anyone about any other UK political Parties values, when Ukip sits proud with that European rabble.

Re Conservative Members, yes they are falling, but with the internet etc is that really important to how many votes a party will get?

Ukip can be the biggest lot Members out there, but how many did they have in 2010, when they got ZERO UK parliamentary seats – maybe that is why you hide your 2010 general election manifesto from your Home website?

P.S “The Farage factor” only goes so far and every cult should have a glorious leader that followers blindly follow, and in fairness, he is THE first ex City oil trader that has managed it.

Ukip without policies may get to the May 2014 EU MEP elections, where successful candidates can populate the EFD with more of their mugs, on £182k salary + expenses of taxpayers money – but 16-months is a very long time to go to a General Election, without any major policies.

Thanks for the photo. I didn't realise how fine a bunch of candidates they were.

'Re Conservative Members, yes they are falling, but with the internet etc is that really important to how many votes a party will get?'

It is very important, because if their die-hard members and constituency activists of 20 years service abandon them, what do you think is going to happen to ordinary Tory voters who don't fly the squiggly green tree symbol from the back of their cars, don't have a wind turbine on their shed and don't have "vote blue go green stickers" in their windows?

'but 16-months is a very long time to go to a General Election, without any major policies'

You still don't understand. the majority of ordinary voters (not wetaugust and flatpackhamster and the more informed voters) but the ordinary people en masse don't read party manifestos, they don't even watch Question Time or Newsnight. They vote on feeling and values, not on policies. Miliband has realised that which is why he has successfully attacked the Tories on the cost of living again and again. That is what ordinary voters care about, not how much CO2 is saved by Cameron's rooftop wind turbine.

But there is a strong possibility that the Tory MPs will panic if UKIP do very well in the Euros and it may possibly lead to some kind of deal between UKIP and the Tories.

For that to happen either Cameron or Farage would need to stand down. Nigel has said he will not deal while Dave is in charge. There may be individual deals bewteen Tory Euro-sceptic MPs and UKIP for UKIP not to field a candidate in those constituencies.

Is or is Ukip not a leading member of the far-right wing Europe of Freedom & Democracy (EFD) groupas mentioned in that link

Yes, UKIP is part of that EU Parliamentary Grouping.

Yes, there is a possibility that Cameron may have to stand down from the leadership depending on how bad the results are and how many Tory MPs panic about losing marginal seats etc.

The Tory Party is ruthless. It ditched one of their greatest leaders ever - Margaret Thatcher - and rather than go down with a sinking ship, they may have to make some kind of a deal.

Many of UKIP's values which are derided by Isitbutme are in fact Tory values (not Cameron's values, not the values of the 'Notting Hill Set' and the 'Chipping Norton Set' but Tory Thatcherite values), so the Tory Party may have to swallow its pride and make a deal with the people they once called "fruitcakes".

The Tories took a long time to get rid of Thatcher. Remember the stalking horses and Portillo's failed campaigns?

There isn't time to get rid of Cameron before the next GE.

And even if they could - who'd replace him? I can't think of a single Cabinet member who'd be more acceptable to the public. That only leaves David Davies and I can't see that happening either.

The Consdervatives gottheir political name because they ecreed they would conserve the good while getting rid of the bad.

Their big problem is that they no longer want to 'conserve' many of the things that their own members decreed were 'good' e.g. grammar schools, Eurosceptism, etc.

When UKIP moved away from being a single issue anti-EU party and adopted all those domestic policies that the Tory members would decree as being 'good' it was only natural that those disenfranchised Tories would head UKIP's way.

Ironically, a lot of the veteran 'fruitcakes' no longer feel an affinity to UKIP now they have deviated from their single-issue stance.

'And even if they could - who'd replace him? I can't think of a single Cabinet member who'd be more acceptable to the public. That only leaves David Davies and I can't see that happening either.'

Some people mentioned Boris. I don't know if they can do that if he is not an MP or if they can find him a seat. I don't know. Maybe no deal can be done, in which case it will be down to a wing and a prayer.

Lord Ashcroft's polling was reported in the New Statesman and they claimed that they thought that Labour would probably win in the key marginals which are all that really count. Osborne is doing well on the economy, but at the end of the day it seems that it all hangs on key marginals.

This was in the Mail last year. Boris ruled it out.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294994/Tory-MP-keeping-seat-warm-Boris-Veteran-offers-vacate-open-way-leadership-battle-Cameron.html

The only thing Simon Heffer is legendary for is his idiocy and lack of basic research.

Have you seen UKIP's 2010 manifesto, claig? There are parts of it which are really frighteningly reminiscent of the 1930s National Socialist party in Germany, and I do not exaggerate.

Oh pulleeease ! Boris!

Boris is a complete joke. Labour would have a field day with Boris!

Having said that, a couple of Tory MPs have said they would step aside and let Boris have their seats.

No, there is no credible Tory replacement for Cameron right now.

The one thing that would have to be a resigning matter for Cameron would be the loss of the Scottish Independence Vote. I simply cannot see how Cameron could stay on having effectively 'lost' a large chunk of the country he was supposed to be governing. The Tories would want his balls on a plate for that.

The outcome of any General Election has always hung on the outcome of key marginals - unless you have a Blairite landslide. I live in one of thise key marginals.

I think that as the GE gets closer people will start to become (closet) Tories when they are reminded of the gigantic Labaour cock-up that's resulted in the mess we are in today.

The only thing that could change that is if Nigel is invited onto the Leaders TV debate. He is excellent in debates and would wipe the floor with ToryBoy, Wallace and Claggy. That would result in the same 'Clegg' factor that pushed the Liberals up in the last GE.

Can't see that actually happening - if they let him on they'd have to let every party Leader on and that won't happen.

'Have you seen UKIP's 2010 manifesto, claig?'

No, I haven't seen it.
Is there a link to it?

'Boris is a complete joke. Labour would have a field day with Boris!'

I swing and sway with Boris, because I ask myself what he really believes in. I like conviction and principles which is why I like Farage. Lots of Tories, like Heffer, don't think that Boris would be a good leader. But Boris is a chameleon, he can be and do whatever is required. I think he is capable of "cutting the green crap" overnight if he felt it would be a winning strategy. He can reinvent himself overnight as the people's champion.

He is a great performer with great charisma even though he has some bad advisers who feed him duff speeches etc. But a reinvented people's champion, Boris, and Farage on the same ticket would be unbeatable.

I like Miliband but the public does not seem to have warmed to him, and the rest of Labour is not up to it in my opinion. The biggest beast they have is Ed Balls and I don't think the public will be wowed.

Boris, fed the right speeches, and Farage together would create a landslide.

But there are other candidates too such as Osborne who looks like being very successful with the economy, Gove and some others.

Isitmebut

Is or is Ukip not a leading member of the far-right wing Europe of Freedom & Democracy (EFD) group as mentioned in that link??

You seem very quick to toss around pejoratives. Doesn't the Conservative MEP grouping have the Polish Law & Justice party in it? The anti-homosexual one.

nennypops

Have you seen UKIP's 2010 manifesto, claig? There are parts of it which are really frighteningly reminiscent of the 1930s National Socialist party in Germany, and I do not exaggerate.

Yes you do, and no there aren't. You can, of course, read the BBC's summary of it if you wish.

Boris believes in Boris. He is an incredibly intelligent man under that buffoon act. I couldn't vote for him but plenty of people have in the mayoral elections. He'd appeal to the HIGNFY viewership too. It would send the Tory membership into complete meltdown though. It wouldn't be a dull Premiership

If you watch Farage in action in the EU Parliament you can see how powerful he would be in a TV debate. Part of that comes from being passionate about his subject - something that just seems to be lacking from the others.

Strangely - I could see a Boris/Farage landsslide Voted in for all the wrong reasons . Had never thought of that option before but have to reluctantly agree it could be possible.

As for Milli - a complete waste of space. His face literally does not fit. He can't get rid of Balls who, I think, is just a reincarnation of GB.

Hopefully, as The Who said 'we Won't Get Fooled Again'.

^But there are other candidates too such as Osborne who looks like being very successful with the economy, Gove and some others.
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Claig - neither Osborne nor Gove are credible candidtaes.

Haig would be more electable than them.

I agree that Farage is an incredible performer. He is brilliant, for the simple reason that you state, which is that he believes in what he is saying. That is why the spinners will do their best to prevent him being in a debate because the public would see through the waffle and spin of the other candidates.

Alex Salmond is also a brilliant performer, almost as good as Farage, and for the same reason. He believes in what he is saying. That is why Cameron doesn't want to debate him, because Salmond may well wipe the floor with Cameron.

It is interesting that they both want independence and have wanted it for years and both believe in it passionately.

Osborne and Gove are both good speakers and both believe in what they say. A lot of the leftwing public don't like either of them, so you may be right that they cannot appeal to the left, but they are both sincere and have conviction and that might see them through.

Salmond wants independence

Farage wants Freedom from Brussels interference.

'Farage wants Freedom from Brussels interference.'

Yes, but it is the UK Independence Party, it wants the right for the UK Parliament to be independent and sovereign and as far as I understand it, Salmond wants Scotland to be independent and sovereign.

Alan Sked had to all it something and there already was a Freedom Association.

The UK should be independent as a country and have sovereignty to take it's own decisions. That's what UKIP is all about - taking back that sovereignty that has been (mis)appropraited by Brussels.

^ its own - sorry - grammar is shot

Looking at the UKIP 2010 manifesto summary

'Replace student loans and tuition fees with grants.'
What does this mean? is it as good as it sounds?

'Introduce "Alternative Vote Plus", with 450 MPs elected after earning at least 50% of constituency preferences, with 200 MPs elected by PR system'

Fantastic. Allow people's votes to count. Don't understand teh details of AV+ but it has got to be better than our current system.

and then there is probably my favourite policy of all

"Repeal Climate Change Act and allow wind farms to be constructed only off-shore, abolishing EU carbon cap schemes, emissions trading, landfill taxes and renewable subsidies"

This is the real deal. This is "cut the green crap".

Yes you do, and no there aren't. You can, of course, read the BBC's summary of it if you wish.

I've seen the original (of the 2010 manifesto), thanks, and I really wasn't exaggerating.