Nigel Farage expels entire UKIP membership for bringing party into disrepute

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The entire membership of UKIP across Britain – including councillors, MEPs and grassroots activists- has been expelled from the party following a hearing in front of a UKIP disciplinary panel in London.

Details of the reasons for the expulsions have not been disclosed, but party leader Nigel Farage confirmed to the media that it was in response to allegations that the entire membership was full of intolerant, narrow-minded, crackpot dingbats who pretend to be libertarian but in fact simply don’t like foreigners and homosexuals much.

In response to the mass expulsions, the former UKIP membership said they “feel sickened” at the way they had been treated and planned to appeal against the decision.

Immediately after the expulsions, the disciplinary panel members announced they had also expelled themselves from the party for bringing the party into disrepute, leaving Mr Farage as the sole UKIP member.

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Honestly Claig - don't waste a minute of your life listening to the crap that exudes from St Vince of Cable.

I expect the consequences of the fall of the Berlin Wall was also incalculable at the time it happened or the reunification of Germany - but we didn't sit around worrying about the cost - we got on with it, consequences and all. For every risk there are also opportunities so life is not quite as unchangeable as St Vince may believe.

Personally I fear 'awful consequences' if Claggy & Co ever get re-elected and form another coalition. Poor DS voted for the LibDems and they increased his tuition fees. That's one young voter who will never vote for them again

Very good point about the Berlin Wall.
There is always a way of things sorting themselves out.

'Poor DS voted for the LibDems and they increased his tuition fees.'
That is a really bad letdown by the LibDems.

What does the following UKIP policy mean?

"End the 50% university target for school leavers , scrap tuition fees and reintroduce student grants."

Does this mean taxpayer funded grants and no more fees? That sounds brilliant if true.

Yes, it means fewer students but a return to the grant system.

The objectors will probably try to argue that it would mean only those from public schools that get the few places available. I'm sure we coul fin a way to ensure fairness - something we don't have at the moment.

It sounds like a very interesting policy. I'm amazed I have never heard of it before, but then the media never tells us anything much about UKIP apart from insulting them or talking about Europe and occasionally climate.

The reasons why all claig's UKIP posts end up with her shouting into a vaccuum

No one is denying that there are one or two fruitcakes out there.
But doing that test, it seems that they are now ex-UKIP, and some seem to have been Tories before.

I sometimes wonder if some fruitcakes are being planted deliberately into UKIP in order to make them look bad.

But, I am not sure that the establishment's search for fruitcakes or possibly even planting of fruitcakes, will work in turning the public away from them.

It is self-evident that Farage is not a fruitcake (he has no rooftop wind turbine installed on his house), and he is the main UKIP figure that the public see.

As long as he keeps smoking and drinking and telling the truth, then he has single-handedly got the elite ruling class worried.

UKIP don't have a monopoly on daft policies. Remember Blair was going to get the Police to march totally pisssed up people to cashpoints so they could withdraw the money for on-the-spot-fines

Or Cameron telling everyone we would take on Syria - until the GB public said 'Fuck Off'

Wasn't equal pay for men and women a Monster Raving Loony policy that was adopted by the big 3?

You know when the big 3 are rattled when crap like the Shipping Forecast is published - personally I prefer my comedy to actually be funny.

Anyway, as a nation we've always liked fruit cakes - Eccles cakes, Sally Lunn's buns, Christmas cake......

Read the comments under that Mirror article. They are full of people supporting UKIP. None of these attacks on UKIP are working. The establishment is rattled. The tide is turning. Farage predicted an earthquake and if you listen closely you can hear the rumbling.

I realised something yesterday evening on Newsnight.
Neil Hamilton was on and Kirsty Wark was interviewing him, listing a catalogue of fruitcakes etc. The usual.

Hamilton did a poor job of defending UKIP in reality. I don't think he is good enough, but he can only do what he can do. But he said one significant thing. He said to Kirsty something like don't you realise that the other parties are paying people to search through the facebook accounts of UKIP people in order to find the fruitcakes?

I didn't realise that goes on.

It is obvious that we will start seeing paid-for trolls paid for by the spinners and their parties who will come onto MN and all over social media and they will try to turn people against UKIP because the establishment is rattled.

They will probably have long lists of links to Euro Parliament Groups or fruitcake quotes etc which they will go through in a methodical way in order to convince people not to vote UKIP.

But even that won't work.

I used to think the Tory spinner Lynton Crosby was a good guy and even posted about him in a positive way, but I now think I was wrong. He is a spin doctor and he may even have a team of spinners to help him, I don't know.

Some spinners may be on social media spinning already.

Spin is an insult to the public and shows contempt for the people. If a party has to pay people to spin on social media for them, then that shows the emptiness of their policies and shows that they don't deserve the support of the public.

What? All 13 of them? Of which only a few are complimentary to UKIP?

slug, I have just clicked on Most Highly Rated and the entire first page that I have looked at i.e. 11 posts are all favourable to UKIP, and this is on the leftwing Daily Mirror.

It is amazing. The attacks of the establishment are like water off a duck's back. The people understand what the establishment is trying to do and they understand why it is worried by a party that is against most of the spin that is spun by the establishment parties.

This is revolutionary. This is a mood of "cut the crap". I don't know how long it will last, but at the moment the tide is high.

Claig

The spinners are amongst us already - that you can be sure of.

The other certainty is that UKIP will not win a single seat at the next election. It took decades before the first Green Party candidate was elected in a progressive area of the country. I can't think of any seat in the UK where such conditions would exist to favour a UKIP candidate.

When you are as old I am am you'll have seen it all before - the Social Democrats were heralded as a new force - until that party merged into the Liberals.

And if you want to read more about spin try one of Alistair Campbell's diaries. Very interesting stuff.

Farage smokes like a chimney, he drinks like a trooper. He is the antithesis of everything that the spinners hold dear. He doesn't write novels about alcoholism and Hannah like an ex-Labour spin doctor. And that is why the people are turning to Farage and UKIP in droves. They love it. They are saying "Respek" just as Ali G of the Staines Massive would say. Ali G would shake Farage's hand and then go for a smoke and a pint.

They are the party that is the antithesis of spin. They stand against most of what the spinners stand for.

No polar bears, no "faith foundations", no "smoking bans", no "miminum pricing levels on alcohol", no charity campaigns and novels on alcoholism, no limits to freedom and free speech, no spin. And the people are currently lapping it up and the spinners are rattled.

wetaugust, I don't like Alastair Campbell because I don't like spinners. But you are right that if I dirtied my hands with one of his books, then I might learn a lot more about how spin is really done.

This UKIP phenomenon is amazing. I don't know if it will last but at the moment they have the wind in their sails.

I rememeber during the last election, when the media all boosted Nick Clegg up and the Guardian even recommended that their readers should vote for him. It seemed like a concerted media campaign to build him up. What is amazing about the UKIP phenomenon is that the media are all against UKIP and it is still viewed by the public as the most favourable party. Incredible.

....and he survived testicular cancer and a plane crash....

So what?

You are straying dangerously into the cult of personality here Claig. I'm starting to understand how N Korea achieve it

No seriously, if elected UKIP will gain it's share of spin doctors, PPE graduate interns, smoke and mirrors and all the other paraphenalia that prohibit the real message getting through.

Nothing would please me more than to see the UK leave the EU. But I have reconciled myself to that fact that it won't happen.

'You are straying dangerously into the cult of personality here Claig.'

But I believe in personalities. I believe that certain people can and do make a difference. I said that Neil Hamilton is not good enough, through no fault of his own. But Farage is exceptional which is why the puppets refuse to debate him.

"No seriously, if elected UKIP will gain it's share of spin doctors, PPE graduate interns, smoke and mirrors and all the other paraphenalia that prohibit the real message getting through.

Nothing would please me more than to see the UK leave the EU. But I have reconciled myself to that fact that it won't happen."

Yes that is the real danger. Did you watch Newsnight last night? I feel it was like an establishment hit piece on UKIP yet again. They said that UKIP was changing to be more on message and to become more like the rest. But that is fatal for UKIP, because the reason it is viewed as the most favourable party is because it is not like the rest. Farage is not like Blair and Campbell and Brown etc. The establishment want to make them just like the rest so that they will spin like the rest and ask for minimum levels of pricing for alcohol like the rest and open "faith foundations" like the rest. But then the public will abandon them which is what the establishment wants.

I think the EU may really collapse and I think it wil come from France if it does happen. And when it happens it will spread across Europe like wildfire and it will collapse like a house of cards.

No one thought the Berlin Wall would ever collapse and no one thinks that the Brussels Wall will collapse. But I think it may even happen.

I rememeber during the last election, when the media all boosted Nick Clegg up and the Guardian even recommended that their readers should vote for him. It seemed like a concerted media campaign to build him up. What is amazing about the UKIP phenomenon is that the media are all against UKIP and it is still viewed by the public as the most favourable party. Incredible.

Let's disect what you wrote above Claig.

Clegg and his LibDems were no where at all at the last election until the televised leadership debate. The public then collectively swooned over this (relatively) good looking guy who could string a sentence together (compared to dour Gordon and ToryBoy). Bigged up by the media, the public voted for him, in some cases, without a clue as to what he stood for. I know this because my DS voted for him and he hadn't a clue what any of the parties stood for.

That should tell us that the public need a candidate that 'looks the part' - which is where the 2 x Eds fall down badly. Wallace and Gromit (or Mr Bean, if I'm being charitable).

No surprise that the Guardian recommended a LiDem vote - they were hardly going to recommend the Tories and GB had shamed himself over the Bigot thing by then.

The media like the 3 main parties. They know what they are ealing with. They have contacts within those parties. They know the spin doctors and who will give them a story. UKIP is still a bit DIY in media terms. The BBC gets some payment from the EU so it's hardly going to be pro-UKIP that wants to abolish the EU.

'I know this because my DS voted for him and he hadn't a clue what any of the parties stood for.'

Exactly. The media deliberately bigged up Clegg in my opinion. It was concerted and of course it fooled some people who then voted for him. But as you said, you DS will never vote for Clegg again. As you said about the Who song "we won't be fooled again".

The media is powerful but it is failing everywhere you look. Its "polar bear" message is failing flat, its Syria message is falling flat and its anti-UKIP message is falling flat. It is losing because the people won't be fooled again. Now the people have turned to the party of the "fruitcakes" in spite of the media trying to stop them. You only have to read the comments in the leftwing Daily Mirror article.

There will be more media hit pieces on UKIP as the spinners get more and more desperate, and Farage will just pour himself a larger pint and light up a panatella and watch his popularity rocket.

'The BBC gets some payment from the EU so it's hardly going to be pro-UKIP that wants to abolish the EU.'

It doesn't really matter what the BBC does. The Daily Mail mocks their political correctness and spin constantly. they are fast losing credibility because people can see through spin and Newsnight only gets an audience of about 1 million whereas the Mail gets more purchases and views than that per day.

Spin can only work for so long. Eventually the public sees theorugh the 'straight kinda guys' and truth and conviction always win and those are Farage's strong points.

I always approach any political outpourings using Jeremy Paxman's stated position of 'Why is this lying bastard lying to me?'

Follow it up with < I think it was Tony Benn's> 'In whose interest is it that I am I being told this news?'

Unfortunately the mass of our population has no active interest in politics. They are much more interested in who has done what to whom in Eastenders or in checking their best friend's current Facebook status. And while the public remain virtually catatonic about all things political the politicians get away with whatever they want.

11% pay rise anyone?

'Unfortunately the mass of our population has no active interest in politics.'

That is very true and usually that means that the liars and spinners and professional phoneys can achieve what they want because the public is not watching and doesn't care. But that only works in the good times when the public are in work and have a good standard of living. Then they don't care what the spinners do.

But now we are in the greatest economic crisis since the 1930s and the spinners have pushed our fuel and water prices up sky high and 500,000 people depend on food banks and millions are out of work.

Now the people have turned to the party that is the opposite of everything that the sanctiminious spinners, the faith foundation charity do-gooder "ethical" mimimum alcohol pricing level rooftop wind turbine technology types believe in.

The vast majority of the public will still watch Eastenders. They won't watch Euro Parliament debates or even Newsnight and they won't read any party manifestos. But what they will do in the Euro elections is go to their polling stations and vote against everything the sanctiminious spinners and progressive preachers stand for.

The spinners wheeled Russell Brand out and put him on Newsnight and in the leftwing Guardian and New Statesman and publicised his message of don't vote.

The spinners don't want the public to vote because they know what that vote is going to be.

Sorry Claig - every 5 years (some of) the public usually trots out to the Polling Station and votes for the same party that they always have done.

it takes a huge sea change in thinking before people will change parties. I'm thinking Winter of Discontent when even Labour voters knew we couldn't go in like that or the Blair landslide when everyone was sick to the back teeth of the Tories.

I don't think we are anywhere near a sea-change.

Those few voters who bother to turn up for the EUP elections will do so because they are vehemently anti-EU or because they want to cast a protest vote. Most potential voters will stay at home and watch Eastenders.

Come 2015 and they'll be back to Red Blue and maybe even a few Yellows. Plus change...

Gawd that 6th-form motor mouth.

Empty vessels make the most noise.

You may be right.

I voted Labour in the huge landslide of 1987 even though I had voted for Thatcher and Major for years before that. It was a sea change, a tidal wave and I was on that wave.

I voted for the Tories throughout Labour's remaining time.

I never cared enough about the EU to bother to vote for UKIP. But everything that has happened during the Blair years and all of the spin that corrupted our faith in our leaders and all of the spin about the "green crap" and 1000 other things has led me to the next wave and I am now in favour of leaving the EU. It was a big step but I walked to the polling station and took it. I don't know if this is a real sea change, but I am on the wave, years after you first started to ride it.

Tens of thousands of people voted UKIP in the local election, very many in protest at the Tories, and none of the pundits foresaw it. Their hysterical hit pieces on UKIP make me think they are more worried than they let on about the next tidal wave in politics which may sweep the spinners out.

Well, whatever happens, it's going to be an interesting lead up to May 2015.

I'm definitely one of those saddos who has always taken a keen interest in politics.

'Dave' and Theresa May sent me an email earlier - binned it

wetaugust, it is great to be interested in politics, and it is people like you with real principles and conviction that stick with parties through thick and thin when no one is interested in them that make it possible for late-comers like me, who never had a clue, to join the wave to victory on the last lap.

Politics affects all our lives. That is why the leftwing Russell Brand is wrong to tell people not to vote. Yes, let's vote and let's vote the spinners out.