New thread re Roy Meadow (no Sir!)

[Janh]

Cheeseball, specially for you, yet another thread but without the Sir! (I'll post a link from the 2nd thread).

If what we are doing here is being radical busybodies then I am proud to be one! I am so sorry your husband feels like this and won't help you escape from the burden you are under.

Many of our MPs have now seen some details of Bunglie's case which we have forwarded to them and not one has said "you shouldn't be talking about this, you are breaking the law". Those gagging orders are so wrong and will surely be overturned before long. If you have to wait until they are before you can do something about your own case then so be it - he is wrong to be so angry with you about something that wasn't your fault but you are the one who lives with him and we can't tell you what to do.

If you get a chance do think about ringing Bunglie, you don't have to tell her your name or any details at all but I'm sure it would make you feel so much better (unless the guilt at doing it made you feel worse...)

I completely understand you - I just know from my point of view that I would use everything I possibly could but in my court case had to be held back on a number of occassions by mumsnetters and DP from doing stuff that really would not have helped me.

I am sooo excited to think that your life is changing for the better after such a lot of shit being thrown at you - I am crying now - oh well at least can blame the hormones!! Big kiss and hug from me to you - you are a star really.

bunglie, i sent you a long and garbled email back. It was from the reserve laptop which may not be set up correctly. did you get it. Please don't worry, i think you will have lots more positive results soon. I suspect that the ap's are acting the way they have because they know that an injustice was done and that they probably participated in the doing of it and are feeling very guilty/worried about that.
My understanding was that talking to your mp was not in breach of the gagging order anyway, so please don't worry.
I have pictures from yesterday to send you as soon as I know that you are getting my emails from my temporary computer disaster.

Sofia - yes, I have just downloaded your email, many thanks, I shall email you later with my question!! Ooooh Piccys;-Wonderful, I have 7 newspapers and can not find ANY pictures except ones of Angela Cannings. I suspect that most people there were not able to be identified due to 'gagging orders', would that be right? postsue told me about the yellow ribboms and how she has one for me and even tied two up to represent my dd and ds. I feel so lucky to have found you all and the support you have all shown makes me very tearful and all emotional. Blubbing again now....... I am sorry. What was the atmosphere like? By that I mean was it one of sadness, anger, bitterness or a mixture of just very 'charged' emotions? Oh why am I such a 'chicken'? I wish I had had the courage to go yesterday like the other mothers. Instead I get a wonderful person like you Sofia to do my business for me - I am so very sorry but I am very grateful indeed to you, aloha and postsue. I think I should have gone yesterday because it may have helped me sort out some of these emotions and I probably feel a bit down today out of guilt for not making the effort to go yesterday.
It doesn't help that I feel a bit sick, but that I am afraid is self inflicted - I was feeling rather 'low' and decided a bit of comfort eating would not go astray.....12 Jammy Dodger biscuits later and I feel ugh! and no one to give me any sympathy, not that I deserve it!
Anyone know any good jokes to cheer me up and get me out of this mood of self-pity?

Bunglie, it was quite a small demonstration, largely because, like you, so many of these mothers are under gagging orders. Many looked pretty scared to be there - one came in a wig and dark glasses disguise. I am so disgusted by the gagging orders. They've put people in coffins and nailed the lid down on them IMO. You are not a coward for not coming - especially as you have problems with mobility. It was as you say, very 'charged' with emotion. I strongly felt anger and loss and sadness, but also determination, a hunger for justice and a lot of love for those 'lost' children. My ds loved his badge and as I said, people were so kind to him. I found it all quite overwhelming to be honest, and I'm full of admiration for the parents (lots of dads there too) who are fighting back. Beautiful pictures of clearly much-loved children pinned up on the railings too. They made me very choked up. Any news on the hearing today?

The first appeal was lost : BBC

HI peeps

Yes bunglie i was knackered (could not think of another word (brain freeze))

Sofia and Alohah thank you very much for your support yesterday, yes it was very emotional for the parents but take heart we actually found comfort in one and other...................we knew who we were, we could sense the feelings,,,,

I can not really say much more at the moment as i am still drained, but realise that there is a lot of support for us all out there, mumsnetters you all are wonderful and supportive people and now i will go or my tears will drown me.

thank you all so much

Just sending hugs to Bunglie, Postsue, Cheeseball and all of these mums. The first appeal may have been lost but your testimonies are so powerful and they have already touched so many people ... the fight doesn't end there.

Just read that first appeal was lost

I am sobbing my heart out...............i met the parents yesterday and they are 2 of the most gentle people i have ever known. My heart crys out for them and i hope justice will win through...

All my love

More hugs. So sorry to all of you that this first appeal was lost. Hope and pray for the next one.
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I just can't believe it.

Thanks sofiaAmes - my mailbox was full, so I have had to empty it. The look on those mother's faces says it all. Sorry I did not have time to email tonight but will tomorrow.

I got an answer to my letter from my ds.

"Thanx 4 letter, Yeah could do that will phone when I get time off work to arrange, **(his name)".

I AM ON CLOUD NINE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A COUPLE OF DAYS!!!!!

Oh forgot to tell you it was a text, but you probably worked that one out!

Aw, that's lovely, Bunglie. I think you've got some real communication going on there!

Wow Bunglie I am sooooo Happy for you, The last couple of days must have been very emotional for you and this is just what you needed to lift your spirits. Have you sent him a text back...Do you know how yet?
Hugs and kisses

Wilco Beetroot, I think that is a good idea, can't seem over eager now can I?
AGH...S-C-R-E-A-M....I am a very happy Bunglie

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Oh Bunglie that really is wonderful news.

I know how you must have been feeling I too was very down by the judgment. My dh really does not understand and it is as if I have been waiting for the weekend when he goes out with his mates and I know I can come on line.

I do not understand why she lost. Surely they would not have put one of the first 'test' cases to be reviewed one that was not 100% sound. They must have known the impact that it would have had. Do you think that she really is innocent and they can not afford to find her as such because that would start an averlaunche of cases?

I am sorry to say this but I have to believe that she really is guilty because I think it is important that we continue to have faith in our justice system, otherwise I do not think that I could undrstand why they took my dd. I know that I must sound silly but it is possible and I just so much wanted to believe that she was a victim of Meadows. Is it true that Meadows was not part of her case? I don't get to read newspapers so I do not know very much. I know that there are people out there who do hurt their children to get attention but the number is VERY VERY small, not like the 5000 cases that Meadows did. I have to believe in a system, although it let me down, and I am worried that in all this that someone who really is guilty will take advantage and get away with it. I don't think that this was the case here though 'cos the lawyers must have checked on their story, they must have realised how important it was. Oh I don't know -confused???

But I am very very happy for you Bunglie and thank you for shareing it with us as yes I needed cheering up too.

O.K. Thanx so much 4 ur suppot it is gr8!!!
I think the general consensus is text back Now!
How about;

"Thanx 4 txt. Gr8t 2 hear from u. I will look 4ward 2 c ing u soon. Do u want me 2 phone u ?"

Oh I am not that cool dude yet, and I hate it when he puts "yeah", what happend to the word yes? Am I showing my age and being a bit of a fuddy-duddy?

Sorry Cheesball, I was so excited I did not read your posting.
I do not know really what to say. I know what you mean when you say you have to believe in the current system of justice, but it could be altered a bit to take the secrecy out of it in many cases. I do not know much about the case either. I think that they had to reach that decission, that is the only way I can justify it to myself. If there is any doubt I am certain that they would not have overturned the verdict - I honestly don't know. In an appeal don't you have to prove your innocence and you are guilty until proven innocent? I do not know if the same burden of proof exists in this case as in a criminal case where it is not taken on the 'balance of probabilities' but on absolute proof and evidence. Sorry, I too am confused and think I am probably confusing others (I am certainly confusing myself!!)
It is lovely to know that you are still 'hanging in there' have you thought about getting your own email account with hotmail or something?
I just want to say that I am thinking of you and I am always here, you can email me personally if you want.
(((((BIG HUG))))))) love Bunglie

Buglie
Leave out the I will in the second sentence - it sounds cooler with out it!

Agree with the others you should send it asap!

Jxx