New thread re Roy Meadow (no Sir!)

[Janh]

Cheeseball, specially for you, yet another thread but without the Sir! (I'll post a link from the 2nd thread).

If what we are doing here is being radical busybodies then I am proud to be one! I am so sorry your husband feels like this and won't help you escape from the burden you are under.

Many of our MPs have now seen some details of Bunglie's case which we have forwarded to them and not one has said "you shouldn't be talking about this, you are breaking the law". Those gagging orders are so wrong and will surely be overturned before long. If you have to wait until they are before you can do something about your own case then so be it - he is wrong to be so angry with you about something that wasn't your fault but you are the one who lives with him and we can't tell you what to do.

If you get a chance do think about ringing Bunglie, you don't have to tell her your name or any details at all but I'm sure it would make you feel so much better (unless the guilt at doing it made you feel worse...)

I just want to say

'*THANK YOU**'

For lots of reasons, but do you realise that you have made me feel so much at ease about my disability that I can laugh with you and at myself, not take it personally and you have managed to joke about my being in a wheelchair, something all my other friends avoid because they don't think it is P.C. Is'nt mumsnet wonderful? I think I feel really comfortable, and not because I have a special 'jelly cushion'!
telling you things now.

Tell me more about the Yellow ribbons, because yes I would wear one.
I will go to this wedding looking like a rainbow on wheels, green dress, red ribbon, yellow ribbon (and the colour of my thermals are a secret!)

aaaw bless you!

Ok we want to know more about this jelly cushion. Then again shouldn't that be in a diffferent thread?

I wouldn't worry too much about what carriemac says...I think her dh is a consultant paediatrician (perhaps even friends with Southall) and she is trying to be supportive of her dh.

I wondered if 'carriemac' was the mumsnet Carrie (as in Carrie Justine and is it Rachel?) I wondered if we had overstepprd the mark of what mumsnet found to be acceptable and were worried about being sued for liable or something?

In any case I am sorry if we upset you carrie. I think that Dr Southall is probably a very careing peadiatrician but I just can not understand how he diagnosed Mr Cannings etc etc...no need to go into it again, but I am sorry if we offended anyone. I for one value the freedom of speach that we have in our democratic society, (odd coming from one 'gagged' by the courts I know), but I will respect anyones views, even if I do not agree with them if they can justify why they feel this way. Everyone is entittled to freedom of thought and speach and I think we should respect that carriemac has her point of view, for whatever reason. If we knew what then it would make it easier for me to understand. I shall say no more on the subject, unless Carriemac decides to contribute.

Ok What am I bid for info on the Jelly Cushion. Remember A cyber box of Walnut Whips, and Fruit and nut is not enough to make me crack. You'll have to do better if you want to know intimate details about what my posteria resides upon

No the mumsnet one is "Carriel" I think.

Hello,
I have been following this thread since being told about it on friday. It has taken me until now to read it all. Just a sugestion, Bunglie, why not post a short version of your story again, so that people like me don't have to start at the beginning?
I was diagnosed as having MSBP; unlike Bunglie the police decided not to prosecute me as they realised that I had done nothing and there was therefor no criminal case, like Bunglie,cheeseball and Postsue. The social services did take my ds away, and place him with foster parents, under a care order and 2 years later the foster parents were allowed to adopt him. By then my marriage had broken down and I could not contest this as I was a single mother diagnosed by a collegue of Meadows with MSBP. I was advised not to fight and let my son continue to live with the family I hope he has grown to love. Unlike Bunglie I never got contact. In a way I think that was better because I could not cope with seeing him, him not knowing or being able to call me mummy and then having to walk out the door. I think sometimes 'ignorance is bliss'.
I can only tell you that I did nothing to harm my ds. He has asthma, I was accused firstly of fabricating it, then when he had an attack in hospital so they could see it was true, they said that I had caused it and that I had exagerated his symptoms. I do not expect you to believe me, but I did nothing. I love my son and always will. I hope and pray when he reaches 18 he will try and find me. I doubt it though as he has grown up without me and probably been told that I did not want him and was a wicked woman and tried to hurt him. I wonder if they will give him a letter like Bunglies son?
I am confused by one thing Bunglie, I do believe you, as it has happened to me and if I can't do anything for my son I should like to try and help you in anyway I can. Sorry but what I am not certain about is this letter. Have the social services recently written it and sent it to him when he was 18 and will write one for your daughter or is it something the adoptive parents wrote, as you say you want to stop them giving it to you daughter, or finally, was it written by the social services when they were adopted ten years ago, and they have kept it and given it to your son when he was 18 and got another one to give to your daughter when she is 18. If the latter is the case then surely the adoptive parents would not give it as they must know that it is based on something that is no longer accepted as fact. What do they say they have already told your children?
I am sorry to ask it was just that I think I must have missed out a bit on the thread and could not find an explanation of 'what' the letter was?
I think wearing a yellow ribbon is a nice idea, but if people ask why I could not tell them my story because of the gagging order, so I would tell them yours if that's ok with you Bunglie.
I feel as if I am pushing in on your thread Bunglie and I do not mean to. I have found it very emotional reading your story and you MUST write a book.
I can not talk to my new partner about this and I think he thinks I have pmt as I have spent the last 2 days in tears.
Thank you for letting me post my story here and I wish you the best of luck.
Hugs SpudBrain (they wouldn't let me have Potato Head?)
P.S. Why was it that your children had a 'wardship' hearing, what's the difference between that and a care order?

SpudBrain, I've found your story very moving. I am sure you will be welcomed to this thread with open arms. I can't imagine what you have had to go through. Please accept hugs and sympathy and compassion from me. Love Ponygirl

Welcome spudbrain.
This thread is for ppeope like you and I can not imagine how you have survived all these years, without being able to talk. Your story really made me cry. Is there anything we can do to help you?
As for the 'letter', I think Bunglie had better answer that one, but my understanding is that it was written when her ds and dd were adopted, kept by the ap's to be given to them on their 18th birthday. - Sorry if I have it wrong Bunglie.
Yes what a good idea, perhaps we could have a link going back to Bunglies first posting or if Bunglie feels up to it she can write us an updated summary.
In anycase welcome spudBrain, I hope you find support here and we are very pleased that you had the courage to post your story.
Big Hug and xxx

P.S. Bunglie- How about a box of cruncies and two boxes of Curly-wurly's

oh spudbrain. I am so sorry to hear your story. When will your son be 18? Our hopes are with you and that you will be reunited with the truth and your son one day. Please keep all the cuttings of the roy meadows being discredited and anything you may have from the original case so that you will have it to show him one day. I send all my love and caring to you. I think you must tell your partner so he knows the whole truth and can support you. With all the publicity about roy meadows, he will understand that you are telling the truth. And if he doesn't, he doesn't deserve you.

Bunglie, Carriel is the mumsnet one, not carriemac. I agree, she is entitled to express her opinion, but I find it a little disturbing that she seems to know so much about all the cases, but hasn't openly said why.

Oh Spud Brain, Welcome to OUR thread, this is for all those who are interested in helping people like you, me and of course Cheeseball and Postsue. We are but 4, that leaves another 4996 people who have not been able to tell their story. You are so welcome and I applaud your courage in telling us your story.
Let me tell you something, all others please close eyes, this is personal and I don't want you lot to get a big head! Here you will find support, not judgment. You will be able to 'post' your true feelings and know that no one will think any the less of you. If you have a problem and are not certain if you have or will do the right thing, ask here and the advice will not only give you encouragement but it will help you see something you may not have thought about. The people here are wonderful, but we can't afford to tell them or they might get big heads! OK you can all open your eyes again!
You say you have read throuh all 3 threads, wow! well done. But what I hope you have realised is that although this is a very serious subject if you are feeling down, something or someone will bring a smile to your face. Use this thread as your place, vent your feelings, bounce ideas off people. It has taken me nearly three months to realise that I do not have to justify myself. I know what it means to have a label applied to you that you do not deserve. My story, or cheeseballs story is no worse than yours. We are different but we are all in the same situation. I can not say I know how you feel,I don't. I can say I know what it feels like to loose a child due to an unfair court judgment when you know you have done nothing.
I can add nothing more than what has already been said, and add my >.
Oh and if you can do talk to your dp, let him read this thread so he knows you are not alone. I think Sofia Ames made a very good point when she said keep everything you can about your own case and Roy Meadows etc. One day your ds will ask, and rather than feel it is just your word you are asking him to accept you can show him the situation and what really happened.
Love Bunglie

Hello Spudbrain, isn't it daft the names we call ourselves
Sorry I have not posted, it has been a bit difficult with the weather he has not gone out this weekend. I hope to go to the library in the week though so talk to you all then.
Thank you spudbrain for joining us and I hope that you get support from all the very nice mumsnetters here.
How old was your ds when he was taken into care and when will he be 18, if you dont mind me asking?
Love to all XXX

Thank you all. My son was 18 months old when taken away and and 3.5 years old when adopted so he wont remember me, that was 6 years ago, so he is ony 7 now soon to be 8, but I have another ten years before he will be eighteen and by then all this will have died down and been forgotten. My case will not be reviewed either because he has been adopted, so I have to accept the fact that I will never have him and I have to believe that he has found love with his new family, love I could not give him. I doubt he will want to know me when he reaches 18 in anycase.
Thank you all all the same. I know I have to try and stay positive but it is hard when you have this secret inside you that you can't talk about, or in my case I don't think I want to talk about it because I am ashamed.
Sorry, but thank you .

Spudbrain - oh, please, please don't be ashamed. YOu have NOTHING to be ashamed of. You are the victim of a truly terrible crime - a witch hunt. I believe you. I am shocked and so upset for you and your poor children, snatched from a loving mother. Don't believe it will all be forgotten. Yes, a yellow ribbon is for the victims of Meadows and his hideous cohorts. They have done truly terrible things. Remember Rodney Leward - the 'fastest gynaecologist in the West' as he dubbed himself, while destroying women's lives, and the killer Howard Shipman, were once thought of as caring, dedicated doctors. So was Dr Megele, probably - it doesn't mean that they were wrong and bad. This will all come out one day. The history of unmasking injustices is not good, but one day all will be clear to everyone. Tell your story. You have nothing to be ashamed of. Your tormentors have EVERYTHING to be ashamed of. I hope they can't sleep at night. And welcome to Mumsnet.

Spudbrain, welcome to Mumsnet. And thank you for sharing your experience with us ? I'm really touched that people like Bunglie, Cheeseball and Postsue have felt able to trust us with such painful memories. As Aloah says, you have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. And you are not alone. Sadly it seems there are thousands of loving mothers out there who have been stripped of their children by a bunch of egotistical doctors who were busy building their reputations on the back of the families they tore apart.

Hi BBBB, where have you been, had a nice holiday away from us all

I think starting a new thread is a very good idea, I am not certain how to do it. I think it is important though that it does not have just my story on it. Perhaps we can drop the "Roy Meadows" and put something about MSBP. I think it should have Cheeseballs, Postsues, Spudbrains and my story all abridged, for ease of reading (if that's possible and O.K. with you lot). That way we will make others feel welcome, able to share their feelings and feel as if we can support each other knowing that there is the sensible advice of all you lovely mumsnetters. I am sorry if spudbrain (please choose a nice name for yourself, you are worth more than thinking of yourself as a "potato Head" felt that this thread was 'mine'. It has certainly never been my intention to monopolise it and it must be seen as being 'open' for anyone who has anything to contribute.
I know and have said what this thread has done for me, I hope that spudbrain will find the same help and support here.

I hope you manage to get to the library in the week Cheeseball,

Big hug to all, are you still there postsue? This thread is for you too.

Any ideas on a name, you seem to be good at changing names BBBB and we could start afresh, because yes it must be difficult to follow what has gone on and our various stories.
What do you all think?
Aloha, SofiaAmes, what was the response to the yellow ribbon at the protest, do you think we should wear one? I light a candle for my children on special days, like their birthdays and anniversaries. Perhaps this Mothers day all mumsnetters might like to think about lighting a candle for ALL mothers who can't be with their children for whatever reason. - Just a thought.
Love and Hugs Bunglie

I have started a new thread - here - called "new thread for the lost mothers" - hope that's OK.

hi all
sorry i aint been on for a while its just silly me i broke my arm on a dorr knob laugh if u want i am but it bloody hurts

Hi Postsue, poor you! Sounds awful. I broke my tooth once hoovering, would you believe? (Don't use a Vax on the stairs, that's all I'm saying.)
Follow the link on Janh's post, the one under yours, to the latest thread.

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