New thread re Roy Meadow (no Sir!)

[Janh]

Cheeseball, specially for you, yet another thread but without the Sir! (I'll post a link from the 2nd thread).

If what we are doing here is being radical busybodies then I am proud to be one! I am so sorry your husband feels like this and won't help you escape from the burden you are under.

Many of our MPs have now seen some details of Bunglie's case which we have forwarded to them and not one has said "you shouldn't be talking about this, you are breaking the law". Those gagging orders are so wrong and will surely be overturned before long. If you have to wait until they are before you can do something about your own case then so be it - he is wrong to be so angry with you about something that wasn't your fault but you are the one who lives with him and we can't tell you what to do.

If you get a chance do think about ringing Bunglie, you don't have to tell her your name or any details at all but I'm sure it would make you feel so much better (unless the guilt at doing it made you feel worse...)

Oh SofaAmes, I have a cuckoo clock, but it was 'made in China'. I do not think of you being 'cuckoo' just American and that is an excuse in itself isn't it?

Oh B*er! must stop calling you a 'sofa' sorry

Ben & Jerry's is American icecream, Bunglie - like Haagen Daaz (?sp) but yummier if that's possible. A tiny pot costs about £3.50 in Sainsburys. Should be eaten with a mustard spoon to make it last.

Mmmm. Sounds yummmy, but I can't give in -sorry, I will tell you all later after the event my decission and the outcome. All will be made clear then. I decided not to tell because you have ALL helped me make my decission and I have taken on board what everyone has said. I decided that there were one or two differences of opinion and that it would be best for all to end the discussion as I knew what I was going to do and I did not want anyone to confuse me anymore, (not that you had in the first place)., but it seems such a small part of my overall goal. I would rather that because all of your input so far has been so helpful that I did not want anyone to feel 'put-out' if I did not take their advice. What I will say in complete honesty is that everyones input has been of a great deal of help. I hope you all understand?

HOW MUCH a tub? Mustard spoon....at that price I would be sucking it off a toothpick! So some good things apart from 'our' SofiaAmes comes out of America.

I'm only teasing with the cyber walnut whips, Bunglie. Look forward to hearing about it all afterwards.

I'd concede that lots of good things come out of America - not just Sofia and Ben & Jerry's.

Back after a horrible time at the shops, Only mad people go shopping on a Sturday, and I think that must include me!

Sorry to see you have not cracked under the pressure Bunglie, I would have given in at the two bars of fruit 'n' nut

I understand why you are not telling us, don't worry, I don't take it personally, (I shall not give up trying to pry it out of you though )

Are you serious that they could use it against you because you have been using mumsnet and found support here? I think that it is a very sad society that we live in.

Finally, please do not think because of what this Feldman bloke says we do not believe you, I for one have never doubted your honesty and am amazed at how honest you are.

I remeber today is difficult for you, so here is a virtual Hug, 15 years is a long time and you should be proud of yourself that you have made it this far and kept your sanity intact. I think you are a lot stronger than you give yourself credit for. In a few more months you say your dd will be 18, let's hope that you are strong enough then to speak out.

I think I would have been a bit like aloha and thrown caution to the wind,(no disrespect meant aloha) but you deserve to have your children and if in the process you can help others then that is a bonus.

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That's alright janh, Sainsbury's you say....
I do my shopping online and I don't think sainsbury's have an online service, but I have some toothpicks ready when I do get to try it....which I shall.

Does anyone know the outcome of the second case that was heard at the RCJ, last week?

Bunglie - see here for what little detail has been released so far about the 2nd appeal (not a lot really).

"The ... judges reserved their ruling on a second mother who challenged the findings of doctors who diagnosed Munchausen's syndrome by proxy..... In the second case, concerning the mother of a girl identified as B, the medical evidence involving harm by the mother was not unanimous. The court's decision will be given at a later date."

wayward, it's only working mothers and mad people who shop on a sat. If my dd hadn't been puking all morning, I too would have been at Sainsbury's. Now I'll have to guy this evening when dh gets home and there will be nothing left to buy (you think they'd catch on that lots of people shop on a sat. and bring in a little extra stock.)

Bunglie, I think that that Marc Feldman guy was only brought up to show that even in america there are nutcases like roy meadows. I suspect that no one is putting people in jail or taking away their children based on his "evidence."

As to Ben and Jerry's, I order you (being the bossy american that I am) to wheel (what is the wheel chair version of marching?) yourself straight down to your local shop and buy some forthwith. It is the best thing ever ever ever and there is a flavor for everyone. I am lucky janh, I am lactose intolerant so have to eat it in small amounts.

You can find out more on their website ben&jerry's . And even join the club (I have!).

Hey Bunglie whatever you've decided I'm keeping all my fingers and toes crossed for you that it works out. Makes it bl**dy hard to type though! Don't think anyone here doubted you for a second. Think I once told you your words were powerful ? well one aspect of that is that your honesty shines through. Please let us know what happens. I'll be logging on every day hoping for an update. It really has been a privilege that you've trusted us enough to tell us what happened to you.
Will also let you know if I ever get a reply from either my old or my new MP.
Many hugs to you and to Postsue and Cheeseball.

O.K. I admit it. Guilty as charged! I ask you to take into mitigation before passing sentence that I had an obviously deprived childhood and my phobia of freezer cabinets has led me to knowingly deny that I have any knowledge of what appears to be the most scrummy ice-cream created.
I hereby promise, on penalty of giving up a whole bar of fruit & nut, to try the chocolate fudge flavour forthwith.

I feel I should explain about the freezer cabinet, I was in a well known freezer store at Christmas and they have mainly chest freezers. I leant forward out of my wheelchair to search for a Turkey of the right size, with my hips acting as a pivot on the edge of the freezer I grabbed a small 12lb Turkey. However, the weight of the bird was enough to make me loose my balance and I went head first into the freezer and the whole shop got a wonderful sight of my thermal "Long Janes" (female equivalent of Long-Johns)! No one helped me out for what seemed like ages because they were too busy laughing and that included my dh! I have never set wheel or undergarments in the shop again in fear of recognition.
Now if you are laughing at this sad tale and the thought of a 5ft woman head first in a freezer bareing all, surely this is punishment enough for my ignorance in not knowing about Ben and Jerry's. (what a daft name for an ice-cream).
When I have tested it, and I have it on good authority that I can get it from Tescos on line, I shall give you my verdict as to whether I should have given in to janh's bribe!

Thank you eddm - for that, please do uncross everything before you get cramp!
It worried me this morning that people might have thought that I was one of these people that Wayward mentioned. It had never crossed my mind before because I knew how hard I had found it to post some things, but of course how could I expect any one else to appreciate that. I admitted that I had been accussed of having Munchausens Syndrome and yet here is a syndrome that is exclusivly aimed at people who do EXACTLY what I have done, but for a different reason.

Good to see that you are on the ball as 'the queen of links' GillW, (sorry wayward ).

I now understand why the first verdict was given. It seems that there was no disputed medical evidence and that ALL the medical experts agreed (at the time), and therefore she was not granted leave to appeal based on the Angela Cannings Judgment as there was no disputed medical evidence -Have I got that right? I don't know whether I believe the medical evidence because I do not know what it was, didn't aloha or SofiaAmes know something?
As to the second case, I can't really work that one out. I understand the necessity for an early decission in the first case but in the second I don't understand the delay.
One mistake I had made was that I thought this WAS thier appeal. It WAS NOT, they were applying to the court for permission to appeal, which was denied. A very different thing, to my mind, so the verdict is not as bad a set back as I had thought. I can't help thinking though that the court are dithering and trying to find a tactful way to deny the appeal for the 2nd family, as they know that the flood gates will open if they do grant leave.
Does anyone understand what I have just typed or am I 'talking' to myself again?

Oh - Quick question, totally unrelated I am going to a wedding soon and have been told it is unlucky to wear Green at a wedding, has anyone else heard of this?

Bunglie, sorry can't help with the green question but THANK YOU for the turkey-(and Bunglie)-in-the-freezer story, made me LOL.

I don't suppose they had a CCTV camera on the incident? You never spotted yourself on You've Been Framed?

Sainsbury's do online shopping too - in most areas though not absolutely everywhere, so if Tesco's can't help out with the B & J's (I wrote that very carefully) have a look at Sainsburys To You .

Ugh! Janh, What an awful thought I had never thought about cctv ahhhh...was just starting to get over it as well. -may need counselling now
Why doesn't anyone know about green at weddings, you know everything else?

Yes, it is supposed to be unlucky to wear green at weddings. The version my mother told me was that it's because it's the colour of the 'little people' so may attract their attention. And according to folklore the 'little people' aren't always very nice. That's why you have bridesmaids ? lots of girls looking like the bride, hopefully makes them so confused they won't try to steal the bride away! And did you know that the best man's there to marry the bride if the groom doesn't turn up? Thank goodness my dh did, I really don't fancy his best mate

Second thoughts here, his best mate's loaded! And has now gone to live in Australia, presumably to get over the fact that dh turned up so he didn't get to marry me

Hi bunglie, although fairly supersticious, i had never heard of the green thing and my favourite ever dress for weddings etc was deep deep green, i loved it (still do and still have it for posterity) and i can honestly say it never bought me bad luck, but then again i ways always bought up to wear a little read ribbon somewhere hidden, to ward off the evil eye!!! I'd say wear the lovely dress and enjoy

Bunglie, I'm sorry if I made you feel under pressure. We only get so angry on your behalf BECAUSE we believe you, believe there has been a terrible miscarriage of justice and want you to be with your children as you so deserve.
Don't let yourself be undermined by rogue postings.

Aloha - No problems, as I said to Eddm, No! You lot can get as heated as you like, and if you get angry on my behalf I only have to deal with fealing guilty as I have made you angry, not the consequences of that anger. I don't know if you are like me when I get angry I normally find something/someone to take it out on, quite often it is the bank! I have found able to vent my emotions using this site, and I am sorry if I make you all feel angry, it is not my intention, but I think it is better you lot get angry on my behalf than I get angry and do something I regret, I hope that makes sense to you.

Eddm - Thanks for the info on Green and LOL at the story of the best man! In case you lot have not realised I am going to a wedding on the 19th of March and I thought it might be nice to ear my £10.01p Laura Ashley Ball Gown, I got from ebay in a fit of depression. I know the bride exremely well, you could say we are almost twins in our thinking so I do not think that it would bother her, and I do not think of myself as superstitous but I do avoid walking under ladders, have been known to 'touch wood' and I never look at a reflection of the moon! Yes I guess that makes me superstitious. Can we please have a mumsnet vote, do I wear the dress to the wedding?
Janh-I have not stopped thinking about cctv cameras! The thought that they might have saved it and shown it at their Christmas party or something haunts me now! I can only say that I wear my 'Long Janes' with pride! I think I will go back to ebay and try and get a wig and dark glasses!

CHEESEBALL - CALLING CHEESEBALL....WE LOVE YOU....I know you have had difficulty getting to a computer and you normally only log on at the weekends but if I don't hear from you at the weekend I worry about you, so if there please just say 'hello', I realise that this thread is 99% about me but there is a big space here for you too and I KNOW that the people here care about you, so please just let us know how you are getting on? Love and Hugs, Bunglie

Don't you mean rolling under ladders?

And yes do wear the dress - I've never heard that green is unlucky at weddings either. One of my friends wore a green dress to her own wedding and it looked fantastic.

My vote -Yes wear it.

Stace, a red ribbon, that's a new one on me. I wondered about wearing a Yellow ribbon as I noticed in the news reports that all the people at the protest were wearing a Yellow ribbon, (like red for aids awareness, pink Breast Cancer awareness, etc) I thought it might be nice if we all wore yellow ribbons and then if people asked us why we could explain it was for the families who could not speak out for themselves due to the gagging orders, and for the return of the 'stolen' children. Aloha SofiaAmes, is that correct, you went did they wear yellow ribbons for that reason or am I mistaken. So any one up for wearing a Yellow ribbon for Bunglie, Cheeseball, postsue and all of the others we don't know?
Sorry Bunglie I too LOL at Bunglie in the freezer' story, Which store and I shall offer them a donation in exchange for the tape. Not to give back to you but to send to 'You've been framed' (Awful Prog.). and then we can all have a laugh and I might even win some money, which I will gladley give to you. Still Laughing at the thought, do you really wear 'long-johns'?

Any decent person would get angry hearing what's happened to you. But you aren't responsible for our feelings, we are all grown ups and the last thing we want is for you to feel responsible for us on top of everything else. Hopefully something positive will come out of all our anger - those letters to MPs are a start but wish we could start a campaign or something. Aloha, bet you can think strategically about what we do next?
Yes, do wear the dress! I happen to know about the superstition but still made my bridesmaids wear green (such a lovely fabric couldn't resist it). If it bothers you, do what Stace suggests and wear a red ribbon somewhere too.
Second your message to Cheeseball and thinking of Postsue too if she's still reading (and even if not).

GillW- Your on the ball for a Sunday morning, yes I mean 'rolling' under ladders
I must admit I have a pet hate, pavement parkers, because It means that I have to get off the pavement and go out into the road quite often. So if something if obstructing the pavement and a person is about and obviously responsible, whether it be a ladder, a car on the pavement or worse still people who use a vacume cleaner to clean their car and stretch the electrical cord tight from their front door across the pavement, (catches me out and is often quite painful), I will have a go at them and tell them how selfish they are being. I am amazed that young mums with buggies don't complain.
Wayward - no I will not tell you the store and if I ever saw it on 'that' programme I would blame you, so be warned, the wrath of Bunglie would be upon you