New thread re Roy Meadow (no Sir!)

[Janh]

Cheeseball, specially for you, yet another thread but without the Sir! (I'll post a link from the 2nd thread).

If what we are doing here is being radical busybodies then I am proud to be one! I am so sorry your husband feels like this and won't help you escape from the burden you are under.

Many of our MPs have now seen some details of Bunglie's case which we have forwarded to them and not one has said "you shouldn't be talking about this, you are breaking the law". Those gagging orders are so wrong and will surely be overturned before long. If you have to wait until they are before you can do something about your own case then so be it - he is wrong to be so angry with you about something that wasn't your fault but you are the one who lives with him and we can't tell you what to do.

If you get a chance do think about ringing Bunglie, you don't have to tell her your name or any details at all but I'm sure it would make you feel so much better (unless the guilt at doing it made you feel worse...)

Oh postsue, it sounds horrible. And all totallynormal stuff that a parent does. My dd fell off a chair onto her head at the gp's just after having her MMR (I was busy chatting with the practice nurse about my asthma and she fell off.) I can't imagine how horrible it must have been for you.

hi guys
thanks for letting my mum take her time its just so hard for her and me aswell but i now realise that what meadows actually dun was really bad so she needs to clear her name so im behind her 100% and she needs all the support she can get i will apreciate it very much if you could support as much as me my sisters and my dad are thank u so much for all ur support i really apreciate it although i dnt properly understand it at the moment as im only 16 nearly 17 but i d understand the pain that the man caused my mum as it was a day beforew my 4th birthday and my parents couldnt see me but im sure when my mum feels the time is right she will tell all of u the whole story thnx very much all my love and support inocent eyes XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX HUGS ASWELL

my mum said that with the protest is held at the court of justice at 10am 3rd march she will b there and there is also a press release on msbp.com go half way down to heart to heart discussions and then press release protests thats all the info she has ok she will tlk to u all later bye hugs and kisses

This is the press release from the MAMA website. I've copied it directly as I'm sure all of you will want to read it and hopefully some of you can be there. I will.

PRESS RELEASE PROTEST WEDNESDAY 3RD MARCH 2004
On Wednesday 3rd March starting at 10 AM there will be a peaceful protest outside the Royal Courts of Justice in the Strand London. This protest coincides with the appeals of the first Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy cases to be heard after the judgement of R-V-Cannings.

The protest is being held to draw attention to the following:

We demand a full public inquiry into the how the diagnosis of MSbP/FII came to be so widely accepted despite no scientifically validated or medicine based evidence to support it.

We do not accept any part of the announcement made by Margaret Hodge MP in relation to the review of the family court cases and are currently looking to judicially review her decisions.

All cases must be fast track appealed having been identified via the legal aid board, who have records of payments to the ?expert? witnesses involved in these cases.

Social Services must not and can not identify cases included into the narrow remit of the Children?s Minister?s announcement; firstly there is a conflict of interest. A recent Appeal Court Judgement ruled that children have the right to sue local authorities if their parents were wrongly accused of child abuse; it is unlikely that Social Services will identify cases that would lead to vast compensation claims against them.

Children who have been ?stolen? by the state and permanently adopted must have the right to see and be part of their natural parent?s lives as required under Article 8 of the Human Rights Act, furthermore if children have not been adopted for a period of longer than five years we demand that those children are slowly returned back to their natural parents and that adoptive families remain in those children?s lives. ALL the children are to be told the truth about the circumstances in which they were removed.

We want recognition for the children who have been harmed or killed by the actions of so called professionals; iatrogenic child abuse.

We want recognition for the lives destroyed by false allegations of child abuse.

Further details can be obtained from

Penny Mellor
Contact Tel: 01902-791935

email:
[email protected]

hi guys
im bored god i h8 dat battie man

I would very much like to go to this protest, but I can't. I would stick out like a sore thumb in my wheelchair and I would be breaking the court 'gagging' order which I can not afford to do.
Now this is a VERY big ask?
Is anyone going who would like to act as my proxy if you like?
I understand fully if the answer is NO.

I am very confused, I looked at the MSBP website, or M.A.M.A. and have discovered that my pseudonim has been used, pointing people to this thread. I would like to assure all that the Bunglie on MAMA is not me.
I spoke to postsue last night and also discovered something which I think is very disturbing and to me unbeleivable, (no postsue I am not doubting you). Apparently there are some very 'sick' women out there who are pretending that they are victims of Meadows, had their children taken away and are contacting the press to this affect. Please explain this to me I do not understand?
Finally my sons letter is on the way and I have not given up on the text, but I took it into my local mobile phone shop and it seems that I have 'locked' myself out of the messaging centre. I go back later to pick it up. I knew that £".50 a month they charge me as 'handset insurance' would come in useful.
Finally, I spoke to a solicitor on the phone this morning re getting the gagging order lifted. He said "No Judge will even contemplate it until both your children are over 18 and it would take a change in the law". What Law?

SofiaAmes I LOVE YOU !!!! ()
If you feel that you would like ANY more info. I will email you personally.

Yes, you are right about 'proxy' Hmm! Bunglie thinking....painful process....Back in a minute going to get Rogets Thesaurus ! Yes Twiglett I am 'posh' enough to have a copy of that, even if I can't spell!!

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O.K. Iv'e got it, we could be common and go for substitue, deputy or even stand-in, but this deserves more than that, are you ready for this, Sofiaames would you be my,
PLENIPOTENTIARY ?

Now who's posh twiglett? and I double checked the spelling??

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Go for it Twiglett, I would love to get this 'gagging' order lifted and if it takes a bunch of (posh) Lawyers to do it why not, many thanks, Bunglie

I don't remember enough of my high school latin to know whether you are having me on, so I guess I'll have to agree to be your plenipotentiary as clearly you should not have any more Pr**ies in your life.
Please feel free to email me personally if there is anything you want me to know/do/say.

Did you speak to one of the solicitors specializing in these issues? I forget (pregnancies and old age) who you said you contacted and don't have time (work and kids) to go back over the old messages.

Regarding sick women claiming to be victims when they aren't. There are always people like that in this world. Everytime there is a call on tv for a missing child etc. there are always lots of hoax calls. These people are exactly what they are described as...sick. Unfortunately one can't do much about it except believe that eventually you will prevail and they will be found out.

So what does define Posh. It's a very english concept that we really don't have in the states. It seems to encompass being educated and wealthy which hardly seem like bad things to be, but being "posh' is cleary meant as an insult. Please explain to a rather slow american who thinks she must be posh as she is wealthy and educated.

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A What Bunglie?
What does that mean?

It took me ages to find where you had all moved to and then I had to catch up. Postsue, I add my voice to the others, I am here for you.

I am confused Bunglie, did you mean to say people are pretending to have MSBP, and say they are victims now of Meadows just to get their names in the press?? Sounds a bit odd to me, if that is the case these women are really sick and it does nothing to help people like Bunglie, Cheeseball and postsue.

Cheeseball-if you can set up another hotmail account that your dh does not know contact me as I can help re your situation with some information about an organisation called Womens Aid.

I'm totally not offended, really. Actually I was having a bit of a laugh at you lot....
My dh is an english builder from the north and is forever going on about bl*y posh people and foreigners...both of which apply to me. It's particularly funny when we are in Italy and he complains about all the bl*y foreigners.

Ok, Here is the English Oxford Dictionary definition of Plenipotentiary;
'(person) invested with full power, esp. as ambasador deputed to act at discretion;(of power)absolute.'
Sofia Posh is an English phrase that origionated from the old colonials going out to India in the 19th century. As the sun shone on the boat as it went through the suez canal it was more comfortable to have your cabin on a certain side of the ship. Therefore their tickets were stamped with POSH, which meant, Port Out Starboard Home. So yes, Posh became a phrase for someone who could afford the luxuries of life. Yesterday I used a word , Progeny, who innocenteyes did not know the meaning of, so Twiglett in her wisdom explained its meaning and said it was me trying to be posh!! The joke is that although I used the word I did not spell it correctly and spelt it Prodginy. So, Bunglie trying to be posh, used a word that she could not spell. Hence the ribbing. I in no way meant to insult Twiglett and I am certain that she did not intend any insult to me. Maybe it is a very English form of humour a bit like pantomime.

WoW! Bunglie, you really are a mind of useless information. Twiglett what's a synonym??? Only joking?
Have been thinking about these 'gagging' orders. What are you exactly prevented from saying, are they specific to the whole case, documentation or what?
If the government lifted them from all those cases that involved Meadows can you imagine what would happen. I can't see them doing that, can you?

suppose that makes sense...pleni meaning full and potent meaning powerful....

Got phone back! Should I email ds to say letter on the way so he knows I am a 'cool dude' or just leave it now?

Re. gagging order. I have been through all my files and I can not find a copy of the actual order, however there is a letter from my solicitor (at the time) who reminded me that I was unable to show anyone ANY information about the Wardship Case. This even included my medical notes and my GP had to hand them over as they had been used in evidence and were then sealed by the court. This meant that she had to start a new set of notes. When I moved the doctors where I moved to wanted to see my 'old' medical records and got a very curt reply from a hosp. Consultant saying that he could not do that but that I had been diagnosed as having MSBP and Munchausens Syndrome. Luckily for me the Doctors here decided to run their own tests and so I had confirmation of a diagnosis that I already knew. But it has caused many problems not having any records pre 1991. I tried to get the court order lifted with regard to my medical records when I moved but without success. I was told that the Judge would Not alter any order until both my children were 18 and then it would be doubtful. I phoned the solicitor again and he confirmed what he told me over a year ago. However, he added that the Judge MIGHT make a provision in light of the recent evidence for the 'Judgment' of the final wardship hearing to be made available only to a named medical advisor, if it could be shown that without certain knowledge my medical treatment would be compromised (sp?). I can not prove that. I was advised to 'drop it' as it was a 'hot potato' and this was a year ago plus, before I knew that Meadows evidence had been discreditied. But if I am not even allowed to tell the doctors treating me or my current GP anything what hope is there?
I hope all this makes sense to someone as I washed my hair, lost my glasses and so I am almost touchtyping this as I cant find my glasses.....Bunglies having a mini-breakdown. But that is all I know really about the gagging order.

Hello

Feel a little better today.

big thanks bunglie for your time last night i really felt low and you lifted my spirits.................................i still can not stop being so scared about what i posted yesterday, i still have a problem with what kicked it all off.

Re the women who are phoning the press, they are saying they have had their kids taken away or died and that Meadows was involved................one of them didn't even have any children...................................

The doubts are so raw, it hurts so much. I love my family with all my heart but i have to live with the fact that the so called "professionals" feel i did a horendous thing, they said i was poisoning my child to keep her in hospital..............................i can not deal with this

back soon.........................................................