New thread re Roy Meadow (no Sir!)

[Janh]

Cheeseball, specially for you, yet another thread but without the Sir! (I'll post a link from the 2nd thread).

If what we are doing here is being radical busybodies then I am proud to be one! I am so sorry your husband feels like this and won't help you escape from the burden you are under.

Many of our MPs have now seen some details of Bunglie's case which we have forwarded to them and not one has said "you shouldn't be talking about this, you are breaking the law". Those gagging orders are so wrong and will surely be overturned before long. If you have to wait until they are before you can do something about your own case then so be it - he is wrong to be so angry with you about something that wasn't your fault but you are the one who lives with him and we can't tell you what to do.

If you get a chance do think about ringing Bunglie, you don't have to tell her your name or any details at all but I'm sure it would make you feel so much better (unless the guilt at doing it made you feel worse...)

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Definitely text him with something saying that ..."you are too old to text, it has taken you 3 days to figure out how to do this much, so a letter is on the way..." or something along those lines. 18 year olds like to feel younger and hipper than their moms.
I think that you should consult one of the solicitors specializing in Roy Meadows victims. They are probably all set up (and have done research) to start filing ungagging orders. I think their were several recommendations in the first thread. I thought you mentioned calling one of them?... Good luck on finding your glasses.

Ahh! Found glasses, the world is a clearer place now!
Have sent text Thanks Sofia, used your sugestion. Phone says that it has been sent but not yet opened by him. These mobile phone things are pretty clever eh? I wonder how long it will be before I mess it up again?? Odd I can work the video, debug my computer, yet I am baffled by this phone.

Postsue-I am going to tell you something you need to get into your brain-so get a cup of tea and listen to 'Auntie Bunglie'
You only have a criminal conviction because they offered you a 'deal'. Yes you did something, but not what they accused you of doing. If I had been offered a chance to plead guilty to a lesser charge and keep my children, I would have taken it. What you have to do is get your criminal conviction overturned. You are not guilty of what they charged you with and I am certain that you can not be alone. There must be a lawyer out there who will be able to see that if you are threatened with the removal of your child or to plead guilty to a lesser offence, any mother who has the interests of her children at heart would chose to keep them at her own expense. That is all you did. Now I do not know the legal side of things but surely their must be some kind of way that you can clear your name now that MSBP has been discredited.
I know you are going to the protest on Wednesday, well, if you see a 'posh' American called Sofia there give her a big hug from me. I will be with you all in spirit.

I may be posh, but I sure don't look it. I only spend money on bathroom taps. Clothes are a big bore. I will be in my doc martins and the warmest other clothes I can find.

hi guys im bk from skool yeppe
howz u all today im fine mum is ok but im sure she will expalin later any ways take care all of u bye bye for now

at least i aint posh wait im a teenager how could i be soryr im blonde takes me a while to get things LOl

MY BIRTHDAY IN 9 DAYS

Hi innocenteyes, how's your mum doing today?

SofiaAmes, you are and always will be a wonderful person and I shall scour the newspapers etc to find a picture of an American wearing Dr Martins. So could you please get yourself to the front of ALL the photos and have a stars and stripes banner or something. I understand that this has had repercussions in the US so think of yourself as that plenipotentiary for all the people affected in the USA, An International Ambasador, I like that.
Why do you spend money on your bathroom fittings, out of pure curiosity you understand. I am building up a picture in my mind of an excentric American who bathes in goats milk in a marble bath with gold taps while the star spangled banner plays gently in the background and the bottle of champagne cools in the bidet......Hmmm Yes I think I have lost the plot, but it is funny how your mind paints pictures of people. What ever you are like I still think you are wonderful and please make certain that you do wrap up warm and wear thick knickers and two pairs of socks

very funny the images we create:...I hate gold...it's chrome or nickel plated all the way. I'm allergic to champagne, I don't take baths (and certainly not in goats milk)...they give me thrush. And it's more likely to be Tricky than the Star Spangled Banner. But I do have a bidet.

Sofia, email sent + Piccy - Thank you.

I have not had a chance to contact a solicitor yet I am waiting to see if my ds sends me a text. Do you think he will, are there any mind readers out there? Oh Hell! (10p in the swear bottle) just knocked over my tea.........
Am I correct that someone posted the details of a solicitor who is putting together a class action??
I will clear up this mess and go back a couple of threads....
Oh sofia, I am soooo disapointed, you sound as if you are too English, I had this wonderful image of you in my mind and now it has been 'blown' to pieces. Allergic to champagne, common chrome and nickle and we just wont mention the goats milk!!
Agh! Why wont my phone make that dinging sound that tells me I have a text, I think I shall start cleaning, that nearly always works, just as I get the stuff out to start someone calls, so I will either end up with a spotless house or will have posted a message here to say I heard a dinging??? (a bit mixed up today!)

yes, there were several solicitors names posted. Please contact one or all of them. You can change the settings for your "message tone alert" in Profiles on my phone (nokia). And you should be able to receive a message while talking on the phone. I have Call Waiting enabled on my phone, i don't know if that makes a difference or not.

Don't despair, I am extremely American in many respects. I talk in a loud voice to complete strangers about intimate personal details. I ask people when I meet them for the first time how much they earn and how much their house cost and question their marital status and what they do for a living.... And I have the "walk." Have you ever noticed how Americans look much sloppier when they walk than the rest of the world.

Glad to hear it Sofia - Funny but yes I had noticed the walk! Always thought it was because they got their pants mixed up with their trousers
Sorry!
I will look at my phone, it is on 'vibrate' as well so that I will be able to do the Dysoning (no more Hoovers for me!) now and that's bound to make it go.
I will then sit here (exhausted, but feeling pleased with myself that I DID some cleaning) and go through the thread to check on solicitors.
Just a thought, do people still 'vacume'?

Bunglie - the Law firm who are possibly putting together a class action are Leigh Day - see here for contact details. Another one you could try is Bill Bache, who was Angela Cannings' solicitor and who I've read (see here ) is taking up other related cases too, contact details at Pye-Smiths , Salisbury - 01722 412345. I think there were some others mentioned on the original (long) thread too.

Is anyone else besides Postsue and myself going tomorrow to the protest?

Want to meet up Sofia? I will have to bring my ds but he won't mind.

Or would that be upsetting for anyone do you think?

Afternoon peeps

Just actually read your thread bunglie.......i do not take offense(can not spell to save my life) to what was written, you are the first person to understand why i pleaded guilty to an offence i was completely innocent of. I loved my daughter with all my heart and still do..........I live day in and day out with the guilt of it all, at my lowest point i wonder if the "experts" were right, but at a good time i am full of fight..................problem is at the moment there is not a lot of good times and things seem bleak. I feel like i am in a crowd screaming out what happened but nothing is coming out because i am not allowed a voice, even though i lost my gagging order back in 1995 i am still not allowed to shout from the roof tops.....WHY???????????

I spent 2 years, 1 month, 2 weeks, and 1 day, in a "theraputic community" (who's using their dictionary now) (not me because i have probably spelt it wrong again)agreeing with all, i had to get my baby back, i had to prove that i was not a danger to my child. As you said anyone given the offer i had would have taken it. Talk about dangling a carrot in front of you. i would of danced naked in the street for them if that was what it took (i most certainly would not recommend it as it is rather cold) Talk about postcode lotterys when it comes to health services, try postcode lottery when it comes to the SS, they can not be consistant in anything.

Pray tell me does anyone know if i am correct in saying that Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy (aka meadows dreaming and lining pockets)is supposed to be incurable and untreatable. This is what i have been told and now they call it by another name (still meadows dreaming) facticious illness or something like that. Are SS trying to cover their backs. If they disassociate (had oxford dictionary for breakfast, well A to E anyway)Meadows from the supposed disorder then they can justify still diagnosing it yeah???????????????????

Brains frying now and i may look at E-bay as i want a nice green Laura Ashley ballgown too?????????????

Aloha, I would love to meet up. I was thinking about bringing my ds too, but also worried that that might be upsetting. Perhaps it would be worth emailing Penny Mellor and asking her.

Postsue, everything you is true/makes sense. I think it's horrific the idea that they invent this mental illness and then declare it uncurable. Your daughter is really lucky to have you as a mother. Please don't feel guilty. All parents do things that in a less harried moment they might have done differently (letting children fall down stairs/choke on little things/run into the street etc. etc.). That does not make them bad parents, it just makes them human. It's only if you do it deliberately (throw your child down the stairs) or consistently (put your child regularly to play at the top of a steep unprotected staircase) that you are negligent. I'm sure that neither you nor 99% or the parents accused of MSBP are actually guilty of deliberately or consistently harming their children. Again, please don't feel guilty. There are terrible parents out there, but you are not one of them.

Aloah-I know I am not going but I can not see that taking your ds would be a problem. I think the only person who might complain is your ds! A group of women protesting about the injustice done to them and their children, no, How could you taking your ds upset anyone. I say a big thank you for going (if you decide to) and the more the merrier. Most women in my situation don't mind other peoples children. It is a fact of life, children exist and no one will be grudge you having your ds, they will be pleased for your support. I think you will find many other women will have taken theirs. Go for it aloah and give him a 'Bunglie' Bear to wave!!

Thanks GillW, I did send Bill Pche an email, but he has never replied. I am printing out the info on Leigh Day and co and will sit and read it, thank you.

Postsue - hope all is Okey-dokey (find that one in the dictionary!!) Glad you could explain more to the mums here. I found it a very cathartic experience, in retrospect. At the time of some of my postings I would type them out and quickly switch off the computer not daring to look in case someone thought I was awful!! I have got past that now but it is still hard sometimes because those emotions are still there and it brings back memories you thought you had dealt with. Keep going, the more you can write the better for you. If those emotions surface let them out and you will find that once you have told all of your story that you will feel as if a great weight has been lifted from you. I know the other mumsnetters are here to support you but do this for yourself, I understand the courage that it takes.
I hope that you, Sofia and Aloha all manage to meet up. Perhaps you should all wear a daffodil or something (yesterday was St. Davids Day???)
Oh and postsue-put something sensible on under your jeans, not a catapult!!

Ok, then 10am outside the The Royal Courts? I think you have my mobile no Sofia so you could call me if we don't see each other. I'll have my ds with me and maybe got to Somerset house afterwards to look at the fountains? I would relish the chance to protest.

All i can say is thank you and see you at the protest

good luck for this morning, Sofia, Aloha and Postsue.

Wow -Tigermoth, up at 7 something and on the computer Agh! I havn't even had my 1st cup of tea, let alone my 4th, to wake me up!!
I too just wanted to add my voice to postsue, SofiaAmes and Aloha, in wishing them luck for the protest today, I look forward to hearing all about it. Please don't get yourselves arrested, .......right I am going to break the habit of a lifetime now and turn the t.v. on to Sky News.(With a cup of tea )
Love to you all and I hope you are wrapped up warm Brrrrr!