Child taken from womb? Truth into darkness....

[LakeDistrictBabe]

Ok, the old thread is nearly full. If you read the other three, I don't need to re-write everything again ;)

But you know I am referring to the case involving an Italian mother and the British social services.
Opinions welcome.

Unfortunstly SantasPelvic, I think it's one rule for him (ie ignore all rules and domwhat you like ajohn) and one rule for the little people.

Fuck it, not stopping though, there is still the court of public opinion, just as soon as I get the hang of this fecking twitter thing.

I cannot find a guide to creating a mass twitter storm. And the daily mail manged tomforget to include the instructions when reporting on twitter storms

How do we make a twitter storm ? Is there a dummy's guide anywhere?

Errmmm, we have 27 posts left. Can we please convene at the site stuff thread "has John Hemming been banned for outing me" if thread hits a 1000 posts.

Does anybody have a plan B to hand ?

So thefuture is JH's partner.
So he is probably banned from mumsnet is my guess.
And she is worried too.

To thefuturesnotourstosee.
I am more or less an observer on this thread.
People tend to be worried in life if they or someone they know has done something wrong.
Like I say, I am really just observing, and like you, I have not read the first thread, or all parts of the others either.
But it seems to be that it has been proven that your partner or husband has indeed done some things wrong.
So I suggest to you that he apologises to whoever he needs to say sorry to. And tries to put right some of his wrongs.
Best wishes
Golddigger.

I have a twitter account but don't use it much....

Mme Lindor wrote a guide to using Twitter. You need her

Thank you Santa! I'll go track down her twitter thread!

CaN somebody pm me the fb linky?

Maryz here is my précis as I understand it...

JH has demonstrated his usual misunderstanding of what is fact and what is assertion. Nothing new there.
JH has refused to explicitly disassociate himself from Ian Joseph's and his paedophile charter golden rules. Nothing new there.
JH has threatened to sue me/report me to Bar Standards Board. Nothing new there.

What is new
He sent me a page of a document produced by the other side in on going legal proceedings. He did not redact the managers name.
He breached a reporting restrictions order by naming the baby of Allessandra Pachieri. We got screen shots before it was deleted and I have informed Essex County Council. He refuses to apologise or show any remorse.
He has posted admitting he was drunk
He has posted now claiming to post as a private individual
He has attempted to out the RL identities of the other posters because he managed to track them down on twitter.

I have so far emailed Essex, Woman Against rape, my MP Duncan Hames and the Lib Dem whip Tim Farron.

I am obviously interested in any other kind of campaigning. What is interesting to me is how quickly he cracked once a bit of pressure was applied.

I'm on my phone at the moment but I think Lake is online, so hopefully the link will get passed around.

@Santa

I haven't read all but enough to see a politician behaving appallingly. Bullying, inaccurate, abusive, stupid are just some of the obvious observations. MN have been brilliant.

Outing people to try and shut them up. Publishing info without providing proper referencing or context in the hope of swaying an argument. Ignoring court orders. JH you are a disgrace

Best post ever!!!

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I Pmed Yoni, Drank and Westmorland with the FB link :)

MadameDefarge

Should we call you Angela from now on? :)

I forgot to add to my earlier posts that (sorry in advance Spero) it was at least half John Hemming's comments himself that convinced me this was a tragic situation with no winners.

As a feminist, my horror was at the 'C-Section against her will.'
As someone with nasty MH issues, I was terrified of 'She had a panic attack, and her child was stolen.'
As DH is an immigrant, all the other 'details' frightened me.

The facts however? They were sad and yet comforting. I realised this wasn't a woman trapped in a foreign country, baby taken and labelled. It was far more tragic than that.

Then JH waded in. His sheer arrogance at the welfare of children not mattering as long as he's in the public eye (pathetic)

His association with who, IMHO, is an evil man. Minimising any form of child abuse?! Let alone sexual??!!!???!!!?

His persistent goading and misogynist comments.

And finally, breaking the law and outing three innocent children to prove his 'point.' Sorry Spero and Carpe, I know you were outed for daring to defying his highness but those kids? It was just evil. A monster with a political agenda.

I read he has a child with his Other Woman.

I pray this child isn't female. JH's feigned concern for vulnerable women is nothing short of evil. Using the weaker, the uneducated, the vulnerable as heads to step on as he screams his name?

Please let his child by the Other Woman not be female.

This has not only bloody well opened my eyes, but truly upset me.

WHY isn't this........ JH being held to justice?

WHY is he still allowed near vulnerable women?

No maryz. I don't think this is personal at all. JHs posts are shocking. I'm basing my thoughts on those alone with no knowledge of previous form from anyone

Scumbag. (nicest word I can think of for someone who knowingly encourages child abuse for his own gain, even though I'll be deleted]

Thread to convene on when this is full, cos it's about him now as much as it was about the orginal case

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/1945638-Did-you-ban-John-Hemming-the-MP-for-outing-me?

Special

He has 2 daughters with his former mistress, now SO, I believe.

special, this one was a boy but he has at least one girl if he's off to Brownies.

Maryz

It's such a pity he doesn't take a fraction of the time and effort he puts into issuing false information and ranting on here, and put it into trying to actually improve things for everyone involved in child protection - the parents and families, those employed in the sector, and most of all the children.

He doesn't do that because that course of action does not allow him to stay in the spotlight. Volunteering for people, whatever their issues or problems are, is very rewarding on the human side. I felt so warmed by all people who told me I was an inspiration to them, thanked me for my help and support. I didn't need letters from them, their 'hugs' in real life and online were enough to make many of my days brighter.

Alas, I didn't end up on any paper or blog. That is why JH wasn't and never will be interested in that.

I'm reaching out a little here.

John - i've by chance seen a you tube video where you and your partner get visibly upset regarding what happened to you with social services and I think I 'get' where your position comes from on all of this a little bit more. I understand how distressing what happened to you and understand why you want change.

But what you are doing isn't the right way to change things. No -one is taking you seriously because of your behaviour which comes across as revengeful rather than productive which is why you are not getting anywhere with this on either mumsnet or professionally because you are taking all of this too personally and going about it in the wrong way. I think we accept that you have some very valid points regarding secrecy in the family courts (despite an awful lot of hysterical, reactive and irrelevant information you have also posted amongst it all) and these are lost in all of the other silly things you have done to try and make those points.

Stop trying to be right all the time and use your passion and knowledge on this subject to try and actually get change in a positive way that engages with ALL people involved in the debate not just 'wronged parents'. Out of everyone that has been involved in this discussion you have the most power to do get change, but doing what you have been doing has probably seriously damaged your professional reputation which isn't helpful at all to your cause.

Have a think...

Great post westmore!

He's at it again - www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2527669/Newborn-child-taken-mother-hold-ruling-deeply-distressing-secret-court-case.html - story about the taking into care of a baby due to be born to a woman with serious mental health problems and drug addictions who has a history of two previous children being born into care and physically injuring a three week old baby.

Hemming has as usual leap in with his rentaquote:

‘This is an obviously one-sided hearing – the state comes along and says we’re going to do this.
'The woman’s voice is never heard. This raises a lot of questions.’

This from a man who knows very well that that it is not a one-sided hearing and that the woman would have been legally represented. But hey, what does it matter that a newborn baby might be strangled by its psychotic mother? What's important here is that John Hemming gets a bit more free publicity.

I NEVER usually knowingly click on DM links. It sounds like the mother in that case is very unwell. So sad. But how they can leave a baby with someone who has previously harmed a newborn?

Not sure why jh thinks it is one sided?

They're about to delete the site stuff thread for being specific about JH as a poster. I find that quite bizarre, because they allow people to come and be as critical as they like about other named politicians, and they also allow plenty of criticism of individual posters, e.g. on AIBU. Why on earth should someone be immune to criticism just because they choose to post in their own name?

The fact that they describe him as a poster suggests that he hasn't been banned.

It looks like we'll need to continue this as a general discussion on here, if we want to, perhaps with a new thread?