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Child taken from womb? Truth into darkness....

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LakeDistrictBabe · 13/12/2013 20:20

Ok, the old thread is nearly full. If you read the other three, I don't need to re-write everything again ;)

But you know I am referring to the case involving an Italian mother and the British social services.
Opinions welcome.

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CarpeVinum · 21/12/2013 18:44

I reckon I am not the only one who is stressed, tired, frustrated by a lack of visible results and feeling like ... thanks to clicking on the original thread the Anti-Christmas Fairy came to perch on their shoulder.

But I'm feeling a bit lighter now (not least cos I just blubbed like a baby when I "broke" my son's computer even more, when trying to put it right) cos I've just made a post on that other thread. It reminded me that if I still lived in Thailand, I know full well I'd never be brave enough to challenge the system and demand it hold one of its own accountable.

We get to do all that we have done, as knackering, frustrating and unfun as it is, without fear of being put on a black list, bundled off by secret services, or shot. All this we are safe from, despite some grave and terrible many tenticled conspiracies running riot in parts of the public sector Wink.

The moral of the tale being, it's crap that it is so fecking hard to get anyway wih this, but it could be crapper. It could be hard AND dangerous.

Where was I? I'm sure I had a point somewhere ...

Right, yes, After I posted on the pther thread I realised I was grateful for something else too.

You lot. (bar a notable excpetion)

Nest of vipers my arse.

I luffs you.

And I want to wish you all a very Merry Christmas right now, just in case the thread or the context of the thread disperses us before I get another chance to say it.

CarpeVinum · 21/12/2013 18:50

cats, not cars. Cars don't have ears.

MadameDefarge · 21/12/2013 19:02

cars don't have ears????who knew??

CarpeVinum · 21/12/2013 19:05
Grin
WestmorlandSausage · 21/12/2013 19:56

anyone else think he's been told to steer clear?

MadameDefarge · 21/12/2013 19:59

Bolting horses? Stable doors?

YoniMatopoeia · 21/12/2013 20:03

And I thought he was going to be the gift that just kept on giving....

LakeDistrictBabe · 21/12/2013 20:10

Awwww Carpe you posted what I wanted to post too.

Ladies, I believe that this thread (or the whole lot, lol!) made me 'virtually' meet a bunch of lovely and intelligent ladies, which I am so grateful for.

Apart from a certain "someone" posting (plus two or three of his desperate supporters), it has been a joy and pleasure to discuss with you in the last two weeks.
I learnt a few things and I will leave this thread with more knowledge than I could hope.

Then, in case this thread will die or be deleted or whatever else, I am sending you and all your families my best wishes for a Merry Christmas!!

Xmas Smile

@Westmorland I don't think that is possible.
My guess is:

  1. he's been finally banned
  2. they stole his phone, his computer and any other device in order to forbid him from posting
  3. he is filling another excel spreadsheet full of fake stats.
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MadameDefarge · 21/12/2013 20:15

'JH in Mumsnet banning shame' has a nice ring to it.

Or maybe he is just busy with the mince pies.

Or he has gone on a factfinding jolly to North Korea.

CarpeVinum · 21/12/2013 20:25

Or maybe he is just busy with the mince pies

pub?

MadameDefarge · 21/12/2013 20:28

They have a very active brownie pack round Hemming Towers, clearly.

CarpeVinum · 21/12/2013 20:29

Is he doing his Conspiracy Theory badge ?

confuddledDOTcom · 21/12/2013 20:37

I have an idea about something the MN collective could do as a positive out of this but I wouldn't want to post it openly. An idea I got after spending this week in court with a friend - we had to have something to talk about!

LakeDistrictBabe · 21/12/2013 20:38

He went around any Asda, Tesco, Sainsburys, Marks and Spencer, Aldi, Lidl and Morrisons to buy all the available mince pies of any brand.

It must be costly to offer food to all the police departments in Birmingham to buy him favours in case he breaks the law...

We should suggest him to move to the Highlands of Scotland, less expensive business for the Christmas Holidays. It is a pity Salmond holds a grudge on him because H. wants to use the country as a control experiment... Alas, I am pretty sure that Alex is sending a red squirrel army to patrol the border at the moment we're here....

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LakeDistrictBabe · 21/12/2013 20:39

confuddledDOTcome

Set a Facebook group or something like that and send us details through PM :)

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BoreOfWhabylon · 21/12/2013 20:41

Am not a fakebooker/twitterer but I can do pm!

LakeDistrictBabe · 21/12/2013 20:44

Bore

That is ok anyway! :)

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bunchoffives · 21/12/2013 21:00

I think one of the concerning aspects of the forced cs/adoption case is that, as was referred to in the judgement posted in thread 1, there was no attempt by the court to establish that AP did not in fact have sufficient mental capacity to judge herself whether she wanted to deliver by VBAC. As was pointed out a 1% risk of uterine rupture is really the standard 'risk assessment' figure attributed to VBAC but may well not have represented the true risk in AP's specific case.

(www.nice.org.uk/newsroom/pressreleases/CaesareanSection.jsp See NICE change in guidelines here)

The retention of AP under 'section' for 2 months, June-August, really gave ample time for the matter of mental capacity to be explored more fully by the court.

Because the case was brought to court as an 'emergency', in spite of the fact that AP had been sectioned for 2 months, the judge did not have time, he said, to explore this issue in court and relied on the fact that AP was represented in court and that the psychiatric report said AP was ill enough to warrant sectioning. I find this troubling because 1 the solicitor representing AP had in fact never met her, 2 the psychiatric report was written by a locum and who may have met AP only once. Neither inspire confidence that they had enough contact with AP to either represent her or assess her accurately.

There are other troubling aspects to this case, but I shall post them later so that any readers are not overwhelmed with points.

bunchoffives · 21/12/2013 21:01

LINK - www.nice.org.uk/newsroom/pressreleases/CaesareanSection.jsp

thefuturesnotourstosee · 21/12/2013 21:02

Re Brownies that is one thing I will comment on and confirm that there is definitely a Brownies group that meets on a Friday evening within less than 2 minutes walking time of the pub John named. Just because you lot can't find it does not mean its not there.

JH completed his conspiracy theory badge some time ago and is now working on his lay legal person badge :) I look forward to sewing it on for him!

MadameDefarge · 21/12/2013 21:10

thefuture. I would urge you to let him sew it on himself.

LakeDistrictBabe · 21/12/2013 21:11

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

When the thread is nearly dying.. Two desperate supporters are showing up, yay!

Good evening conspirators and welcome to mumsnetters live broadcast of... Of... of whatever, who cares.

So... First poster is still at the december 4th news
Second poster is Hemming's Attempting to bring humous to this now nearly dead thread..

God, I sound like Jeremy Clarkson.. (Hiding...)

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MadameDefarge · 21/12/2013 21:11

well the thread has moved on somewhat bunch. but of course post whatever you like.

Even though it has been covered ad infinitum on these four threads.

thefuturesnotourstosee · 21/12/2013 21:20

Not at all merely not happy to have an allegation that he drink drives our dd about the place to remain unchallenged because he does not. Not entirely sure how that suggests any kind of conspiracy with him just stating a fact. Confused

Hardly a dead thread with Lakedistrict's last post being half an hour before mine.

Anyway I'm off for now.