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Child taken from womb? Truth into darkness....

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LakeDistrictBabe · 13/12/2013 20:20

Ok, the old thread is nearly full. If you read the other three, I don't need to re-write everything again ;)

But you know I am referring to the case involving an Italian mother and the British social services.
Opinions welcome.

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MadameDefarge · 21/12/2013 23:43

Yes. I think we could cite public interest.

DrankSangriaInThePark · 21/12/2013 23:44

I'm still in internet no man's land but if you all move elsewhere give me a shout out so I can find you.
In the midst of the almost mesmerizing horror at the squalid and embarrassing auto-humiliation going on I have also never been prouder to be a viper.

CarpeVinum · 21/12/2013 23:50

Done

Balls it up a bit though. Tired.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/1945638-Did-you-ban-John-Hemming-the-MP-for-outing-me

confuddledDOTcom · 21/12/2013 23:51

Surely if he was posting as a private person he wouldn't be using his real name? It doesn't matter who you are as a private person, it only does if you're an MP.

CarpeVinum · 21/12/2013 23:51

Drank

sending you email with landing link at facebook.

CarpeVinum · 21/12/2013 23:55

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NanaNina · 21/12/2013 23:58

I am intrigued that we have JH's partner on here - I must have missed this as you all seem to know thefuture is in fact his partner.

Can I ask you how you feel as a woman and a mother, about JH's belief that the family courts are part of an evil system where babies are snatched from loving parents and adopted to meet adoption targets and gain extra funding. Do you believe this?

How about his belief that there is a conspiracy amongst all professionals involved in care proceedings (including the legal representatives for the birthparents) and the Judge to ensure that children are not returned to their parents, but are "put up" for adoption to meet targets, and for no other reason. Do you believe this?

He "assists" birthparents caught up in care proceedings and in one case we know that he advised them not to co-operate with the social workers, which of course was very unwise advice and of no help at all to the birthmother, who wished she had never sought his advice. Do you know about this - do you think what he is doing is really helping these vulnerable parents?

He has argued strenuously that the Italian woman was not given any choice about the way she gave birth. We know that this poor woman was suffering from a severe psychotic illness at the time and was in no fit state to discuss anything, as she was out of touch with reality. Does he understand mental illness on any level?

You are a mother of a young daughter. How do you feel about the fact that he only seems to care about the parents and not the children. He never ever mentions anything about the abuse or neglect that the children suffer. We think he is campaigning is dangerous because it is built on a false premise and because he is an MP people will be more likely to believe him. Birthparents really will believe he can help them (and of course he can't) and so he is "leading them up the garden path" so to speak.

Sorry to fire questions at you and of course it is a matter for you whether you answer or not, but I really am intrigued to know your views on these matters. He rarely responds to our questions, despite repeated requests. He believes he has evidence for his assertion about the babysnatching but then it turns out not to be evidence at all. He posts odd random comments sometimes. Does this sound like your partner. Can you throw any light on how his mind works...........ooh that's a tough one I know, and I am honestly not being sarcastic when I ask that question.

DrankSangriaInThePark · 21/12/2013 23:58

Thanks carpy. I'm reluctant to log off while I still have a signal but I have to do the Christmas food shop in the morning so I'm away to bed too. :) JH has always been only too pleased in the past to post under his own name and presumably in his professional capacity. Funny how over 4 threads he has changed into just another private person posting. Or not.

MadameDefarge · 21/12/2013 23:59

is this the moment to reveal that I am, in fact, Angela Merkel?

CarpeVinum · 22/12/2013 00:05

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CarpeVinum · 22/12/2013 00:06

Madame

Does this mean we have to curtsey ?

WestmorlandSausage · 22/12/2013 00:06

confuddledDOTcom did you get any further with what you mentioned on here before. Would be interested if you have.

Maryz · 22/12/2013 00:06

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confuddledDOTcom · 22/12/2013 00:10

I have set up a group on FB, have a look for MN Friends. Do drop me a PM so I know it's you and not JH or Future Wink

CarpeVinum · 22/12/2013 00:10

We can do it on thenthread love

  1. He emailed a page from a doc in an ongoing tribunal without redacting name to Spero. Essex LA was informed.

  2. He posted an extract from a motivation of sentence from athe tribunal of minors rome. The entire extract is subject to aitalian privacy law.mAllmthree girls were named in the extracted posted. also DOBS. Essex LA!' the fusrdian, libdem whip cracker and ... somebody else.. oh yes the court where the court order came from saying don't name the baby... were all informed and supplied with screen shots of the hadtily deleted post.

  3. He did other shit too.

CarpeVinum · 22/12/2013 00:12

Bliemy, iPad keyboard outdone itself there.

What was the other shit ? Oh yes kept threatening spero with the bar thingie. And outed posters via posting their twitter accounts, since deleted. Oh and posted the classic

"I am not sober, but I am right" when he was being worse than usual and was asked if he was drunk.

CarpeVinum · 22/12/2013 00:14

What he didn't do was say sorry, take responsibity (they were "mistakes") or show any remorese.

confuddledDOTcom · 22/12/2013 00:18

He has in the past reported Spero to the bar so his threats aren't even just idle.

Maryz · 22/12/2013 00:21

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CarpeVinum · 22/12/2013 00:24

Wgll maybe he will say sorry to Judge Munby for breeching the court order about not naming the girls. John claims it is an oops. But Judge Munby was the judge who did the court order on not naming Ryan Giggs. So not sure how well disposed he is to "oopsie!" as a defence.

CarpeVinum · 22/12/2013 00:26

He has done a triple whammy Maryz.

And .... he has spent the whole thread telling us he is either going to the pub, or coming back from the pub very regularly. Do not know if this is connected.

Apparently he is usually so keen to make the thread aware of his drinkingnhabits.

Maryz · 22/12/2013 00:28

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CarpeVinum · 22/12/2013 00:31

Ahh. Well maybentheir measure got bigger. aor less watered down. But something was in the water as it were for a sucession of "evidence rich" public "mistakes" to happen all in one thread.

Right bed, I am an hour ahead, I am all cried out over the computer/cancel christmas/youtuber fuck up and very very sleepy.

If he comes back screen shot it. And would somebody mind check for an as wer from MNHQ on my John Hemming/site stuff thread for me. I may mind being outed very much in the morning. We shall see.

MadameDefarge · 22/12/2013 00:41

I think we have been quite careful to not put pressure on his partner, because, to be honest, it's not fair, personal loyalties make people do funny things. And she has a right to a private life too.

Sometimes you have to do the right thing for other people even if they don't see it that way.

I'll reply to any direct post, but otherwise I think best to not engage overmuch. Only on JH matters that is, on anything else post away I say.

Mumsnet is such a great resource for mums from all over, whatever their circumstances, financially, maritally etc. I would hate for thefuture to feel that this thread would impact in anyway on her posting elsewhere on MN.

That would not be fair.

SantasPelvicFloor · 22/12/2013 08:39

I haven't read all but enough to see a politician behaving appallingly. Bullying, inaccurate, abusive, stupid are just some of the obvious observations. MN have been brilliant.

Outing people to try and shut them up. Publishing info without providing proper referencing or context in the hope of swaying an argument. Ignoring court orders. JH you are a disgrace

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