Child taken by from womb by forced C/S for social services! II

[saragossa2010]

As the other is full.
There are far too many cases where the authorities rush to remove children and do not give both parents and wider family a say. Adoption is rushed through.
The fact a senior family judge is insisting he is involved in the rest of this case is a good thing and the more cases like this which receive publicity the better.

The point is it is like justice in China and Russia. If it's secret then those involved cannot justify themselves. If we have more in the public domain that is a greater good than any risk from disclosure to the children and parents involved. it is why open justice and published judgments and rights for all those involved in child disputes to use twitter, blogs and emails and no stifling of free speech.

Thankfully things are all moving this way and we lucky to have people like JM and C Booker to give publicity to the issues which need much wider debate. I would imagine most social workers and lawyers involved in this area are very happy that the issues get more public debate not less. Most professions would.

claw2: What I despise about the whole thing is that they are exploiting the feelings of a whole family, mother and father of the baby included, to push their agenda despite none of these people is even British.

Just celebrating the fact that that is a statement of claw's that I can completely agree with!

Not to nit pick Nenny, but it was actually Lakes statement, however I was agreeing with it when I quoted it!

I will break open the champagne

@ClairetravellingCircus

In some areas of southern Italy the family ties are still strong, but it is a negative trait, not a good one as often interpreted by foreign people.
The "extended" family assumption often is also used as an excuse by the Italian government not to enforce the laws. The family court system is a joke if compared to the British one. None intervenes, sometimes leading to the deaths of entire families as too often happens nowadays.
I come from a family where my father was highly abusive. I can tell you that both the authorities and the so-called extended family minimised what happened all the time. Ah, it is laughable to say this on here but I prayed until I was 18 to be snatched away from aliens or a beautiful prince charming and.. Woah, maybe social services would have be good too.

@wetaugust, reported my own post, in order to change it. Although everything is fine if the website provider is located in Italy.

I find it fascinating how different people have different interpretations of the case. I personally felt the medical staff really wanted to help reunite mother and child that's why they maybe said she was more well than she actually was not because they wanted shot of her.

I have to admit I was quite ignorant to the jh/bf agenda and I have to say bf is making Saul Goodman look ethical. I am very surprised that the lib dems are happy to have hemming represent them when he's praying on the vulnerable for personal glory.

I also wonder if Justice Munby wants more transparency in the courts to stop the ss child snatcher conspiracies

Wannabe, my family and I suffered a terrible time at the hands of SS for a while and it all started with what i can only assume was a very inexperienced social worker. She saw fit to report to her manager that my son had been mis-diagnosis, without even having copies of any expert reports, completing assessments, contacting professionals etc or sharing this info with me

It very quickly gather momentum, and was passed to a child protection social worker, again I can only assume very inexperienced, again she didn't have copies of any expert reports, nor did she completed any assessments or contact any professionals involved in my ds's care or share any info with me. She took previous SW's view and continued down the same route.

I gave her a medical report, she then phoned this medical professional and instructed her to withdraw her report. When this medical professional refused, she called a meeting with other professionals, told them medical professional have withdrawn her report and that I had lied to them.

All of this without my knowledge at that time and without having completed a assessment and it got a lot worse. To cut a long story short, I instructed a solicitor, which cost me a fortune and all of ds's SS records disappeared from SS system and SS have totally ignored my solicitors formal complaints to this day.

How can that possibly happen?

Yes Maryz I think we clearly established on the other thread at some length yesterday that you think my views are wrong.

Since yesterday and the other thread, this thread has moved on, you seem stuck there.

Where did I get angry with you Maryz?

My last post was in response to Wannabe in response to her comments about Judge Munby wanting more transparency in courts to stop the ss child snatcher conspiracies.

I was giving her an example and my own personal experience of why more transparency is needed. My story is very similar to many others.

Keep saying what Maryz?

claw How many people have you either sectioned or observed being sectioned lately? How offensive to lawyers and AMHPs to think that googling means you get a comprehensive view of the MHA! Arrogant or what? Section 3 and section 2 are VERY different. The fact that you don't seem to acknowledge that tells me you have limited knowledge. As do your comments from part 1 about 'being incapable'.

For the record I have no idea who Booker is or JH!

Throughout this thread, I have stated facts as they have been written in the judgement and given my views on these. I thought I had made the difference clear between what is written fact from the judgment and what my views are based on those facts.

I stand by my views that the system is crap, rather than individuals and more transparency and accountability is needed.

Candy just the one. I made it my business to find out about the MHA and sectioning when my son was admitted to A&E for emergency health assessment.

I might not have the knowledge of a Lawyer, I never claimed I did, I just said google gives a pretty comprehensive description of sections for anyone who did not know and provided a link.

I agree with Maryz.

I get a bit 'battle fatigued' just from posting on the SN board where so much criticism of all professionals occurs that I find myself wondering just what I've missed.

I see people who are sometimes ineffectual. Sometimes poorly trained. Sometimes so overwhelmed by their caseloads that they don't do as well as they could do if they had just one child (or a few) to deal with. But never have I seen people whose sole intent and purpose is to cause harm and disruption to families.

I'm not saying it can't happen. I'm not saying it doesn't happen that working relationships break down and events charge down a destructive path.

But sometimes it isn't the right thing for a child to be left with a parent who isn't capable of giving them a safe and secure future.

This woman has two children who have been subject to intervention from Italian SS. She had been ordered to have restricted contact due to the effects of her illness. Her older children had been traumatised by her illness, in fact 'terrorised'.

The only evidence of recovery was that she had complied with medication for a time and was therefore more stable. The evidence is that she's done this before and relapsed.

How could the judge send a child to live with a family that comprises:

a) a set of grandparents who don't want the child
b) an 'aunt' who is only an 'aunt' by virtue of a half-sister's relative, living in a country which is almost impossible to get a visa for, especially if there is a risk of ill-health (and there are concerns for the genetic predisposition to mental ill-health)
c) a father who isn't a national of Italy, in fact is an illegal over stayer, who isn't committed to the child himself (and presents the solution of his sister in America)

How is that giving the child any stability whatsoever?

You're making false statements though.

Let me clarify my position; I am in no way saying that there were NOT fuck ups in this case. What I am saying is that scaremongering and giving false information is dangerous.

That was to claw

Maryz

I agree I am sure there are many cases were SS get it right and do a great job and are often overworked. Which is all the more reason not to waste time and money pursuing people like me and let themselves be used as tools against parents who are just trying to fight for the educational rights of their children. Child Protection social workers are often used to try and discredit parents during SEN tribunals. Still that is another story!

I think we all have similar points, just coming from different angles I do not have any political agenda, just the interests of parents and children at heart.