guide to scientology birth..

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\link{http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1741763,00.html#article_continue...as Tom n Katie await their very own little l ron hubbard..}
(favourite bit: "By the way, life in the womb is not the paradise it has been presented as. Instead "the womb is wet, uncomfortable and unprotected")

and apparently Beck is a scientologist!

beck doesn't surprise me really, and as for KH, i have a great difficulty feeling sorry for her, she got herself into this.

i mean lets face it how many people truely believe she sees anything in TC other than wads of cash and increased media coverage? it's the child i feel for, KH can divorce TC hen it gets too much for her but that child is stuck with him as his dad for life, and knowing the american courts he'll get a very generous custody agreement just because he is who he is.

Beck's always been weirdy.

Kirstie Alley is also a scientologist.

exactly who looks after the baby in the 7 day separation? And i suppose it will be bottle fed? And this man thinks he knows something about post natal depression...aaaargh.

sorry not trying to imply a woman who choosed to bottle feed will have PND - just breastfeeding is very good for bonding and as for the separation thing it makes me very worried.

What do they say about breastfeeding?

can't be that positive, milward, if you're expected to be separated from your newborn for 7 days...

goodness bundle!!! - was thinking about getting sore nipples & the mum feeling pain but not being able to transmit this (or whatever)

god i can't imagine not having my baby there after birth, personally seeing my beautiful little baby was what made the aftermath of the birth worthwhile and bearable for me. can't imagine there are many moms who wouldn't feel that way

You're all being very engramic here, I'm afraid. I hope none of you are exposing your unborn children to this sort of engramic talk!

Oh, and Hubbard is anti-bf. \link{http://members.chello.nl/mgormez/childabuse/barley.html\Rather disturbing link}.

Here is an official quote from Hubbard re: bf:

Breast feeding babies may have a nostalgic background, particularly to a Freudian oriented medico, but real breast milk again is usually a poor ration. Modern mothers smoke and sometimes drink. Smoking makes the milk very musty. Anyway, a nervous modern mother just can't deliver the right ration. Maybe it's the pace of the times or the breed, but there are few modern Guernsey-type mothers. So even without drinking or smoking, one should forget breast feeding.
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The foremost reason a baby doesn't do well is poor rations. And to remedy that, here is a formula one can use:

15 ounces of barley water
10 ounces of homogenized milk
3 ounces of corn syrup (As the Romans had honey, 2 ounces of honey may be used instead of corn syrup, if desired. Do not use lactose [a sugar found in milk, used in infant foods] as a substitute.) The amount of syrup should be varied - depending on the baby - some like it weak - some take it stronger.

gosh!!! never knew this

now i feel quite angry about this.

That has made me feel quite sick NCQ - those poor babies. And what does "From the cradle the children are punished." mean? Surely this is child abuse?

Is this for real, NQC?

People actually believe that kind of bulls^%t and still consider themselves semi-intelligent?

I like the Dr. Michael Odent take on breastfeeding: that we are forming our child's future tastes in food. YES! All the more reason for me to eat quality food - I'm forming my child's palette, here!

OMG nononono she can't put her baby through that, they don't even allow formula??? What's the mortality rate for baby's born to sceintology parents??? And for Gods sake, corn syrup, or honey?!? Honey for a newborn have they never heard of botulism (sp?)

John Travolta's wife, didn't do the quiet birth thing, she was rushed to hospital, I remember reading about it, she admitted it when it came to light she was advising KH on her silent birth.....

EIS, I've found references to the barley water formula on a range of sites.

The punishment stuff sounds possibly apocryphal, it's hard to tell. The anti-scientology sites out there are so so so angry (who can blame them?) that they all sound a bit bonkers, I'm afraid.

Oh, the honey is ok, apparently, because the Romans used honey. He got the formula from them. (Yes, he was around in Roman times, of course.)

(I don't totally bother with the no-honey-before-a-year thing, but honey at birth would be too much for me, to put it mildly.)

'kin 'ell!

that's really sinking to new depths...

Yeah, but corn syrup? Honey?!

He sounds a bit misogynist, this L Ron freak.

Poor 'rations'? Huh? That's not even convincingly worded.

Yet people believe that?

How the f&^k do they think the human species survived as a whole before formula milk was introduced?

Oh, are we pretending here, that we really believe KH is actually pregnant? Or do we still think she's faking it? (I hope, for her sake, that she's faking it. Although I fear for whatever baby they're going to get ahold of to mistreat. Well, I fear for any baby in the clutches of these folks, now.)

breastmilk - "usually a poor ration"..try telling that to the people who produce mountains of research showing it reduces the incidence of gastroenteritis, respiratory admissions to hospital(up to age 7) etc etc..

Oh, people did used to make their own formula. That's why it's called formula, you had a formula to work from. And it normally involved boiling milk, and adding some sugar (I think).

Dunno what's up with the barley water. Not even sure what barley water is.

Didn't realise she may not be pregnant (very much hope she isn't). This stuff is sickening, I had no idea how sinister scientology is.