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guide to scientology birth..

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bundle · 29/03/2006 11:20

\link{http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1741763,00.html#article_continue...as Tom n Katie await their very own little l ron hubbard..}
(favourite bit: "By the way, life in the womb is not the paradise it has been presented as. Instead "the womb is wet, uncomfortable and unprotected")

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LucyJu · 29/03/2006 12:15

I think I'm getting some 'engrams' just from reading that load of c**p!

And if Ron Hubbard is so keen on silence, why doesn't he practise what he preaches and shut the f**k up?!

motherinferior · 29/03/2006 12:24

What happens if she needs an emergency C-section?

mesenfantsmaman · 29/03/2006 12:28

I too think its dreadful that she will not be able to see her baby for seven days after its born wtf??? me thinks this lady will end up seriously screwed up when this relationship has run its course

FioFio · 29/03/2006 12:28

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foxinsocks · 29/03/2006 12:31

I think the original L Ron Hubbard is dead.

It is basically a cult scientology - founded by some fraudster lunatic.

gibberish · 29/03/2006 12:32

I read or heard that the parents are not allowed to talk to the baby or give it any medical assistance for the first 7 days??????? If this is right they truly are barking (and cruel).

Tom Cruise is a first class wally. Should have stuck to NK - they suited each other.

LucyJu · 29/03/2006 12:35

Sorry, not trying to start a different kind of debate here, but does that 7 days nonsense mean that RH thinks that bfing is somehow bad for babies? Maybe it uspsets their engrams or something?

I think not allowing a mother to see her newborn baby for a week after birth is akin to a form of torture. How could anyone do that to someone they supposedly love?

Orlando · 29/03/2006 12:36

Hmmm... now I'm beginning to see why Nicole wanted to ADOPT

fuzzywuzzy · 29/03/2006 12:39

Do they really enforce this nonsense though??

I mean if Katie starts screaming her head off will they tape her mouth shut, and if she insists on holding her child, will they physically take the newborn from the mother??

mesenfantsmaman · 29/03/2006 12:52

I think the long term emtional effects could be dveastating in the long run, for Katie. How many of us have felt let down by birth because we didn't get the delivery we planned, imagine how she will feel if hers doesn't turn out how she and Tom and the elders want. The pressure on her is huge, then there is the issue of bonding etc, aspects which are all crucial in the early days, days she won't get back if she at some point wakes up from this relationship. I don't feel sorry for her as such, like others have said she has made her choice but I do beleive the emotional fallout in the future could be dreadful

Laura032004 · 29/03/2006 12:56

I think they only separate the baby for 24 hrs (still 24hrs too long though!)

After a delivery that's "as calm and no-talk as possible," the baby should "be wrapped somewhat tightly in a warm blanket, very soft, and then left alone for a day or so."

Do they feed it then?!?

wannaBe1974 · 29/03/2006 12:58

if I remember rightly, scientologists don't believe in any medical intervention, so if anything goes wrong, .. well you can guess the outcome.

There was a case some time ago where a couple were taken to court because they had refused any treatment for their daughter who was suffering from luchemia I think it was. It didn't happen in this country, but wherever it was, a case insued where the hospital took the parents to court to fight for the child's right to treatment. the hospital won I think and the child was subsequently placed into care.

wannaBe1974 · 29/03/2006 13:00

it's bloody barbaric.

wannaBe1974 · 29/03/2006 13:02

I think the idea of a calm delivery is lovely, but the reality of that is somewhat removed from the lovely ideal.

I think it's one thing putting yourself through that, signing up to a cult where you swear not to scream during labour or whatever, but to knowingly bring a child into a cult like that just is wrong imo.

jampots · 29/03/2006 13:05

maybe TC will be arrested for something in the days before the birth and she can pop in and have an elective c/s

Laura032004 · 29/03/2006 13:07

Apparently Tom Cruise insisted that the biological mothers of his adopted children gave birth under the same conditions?!?

Caligula · 29/03/2006 13:10

Can't believe mother and child will be separated for a week after the birth. Abuse of both of them.

"6. He also claims that a great number of midwives and doctors are scientologists themselves."

Now that one I can believe, given the number of stories of midwives and doctors telling women to be quiet during childbirth.

flutterbee · 29/03/2006 13:12

I have no sympathy what so ever for Ms katie holmes, she is a bright career driven young woman.

She will know exactly what she is doing and lets be honest if she really wanted out of it all then she would be able to do it at the snap of her fingers. She has the whol;e world knocking at her doorstep it would be very easy to get up and leave.

The people I feel sorry for are the ones who get into this kind of thing and then have nowhere to go and no one who cares, we obviously are all waiting for Katie to make a move and there are plenty of people for her to run too.

It's the kid I will feel sorry for and the 2 already adopted who are being bought up as scientologists, very sad indeed.

wannaBe1974 · 29/03/2006 13:13

what a tosser. What I wanna know is, what happens if she doesn't comply?

Caligula · 29/03/2006 13:13

Oh I don't think any woman knows exactly what they'll be doing in labour

jampots · 29/03/2006 13:13

yes i wondered that too Flutter

philippat · 29/03/2006 13:15

L Ron Hubbard had some serious issues with people not making a noise, didn't he? Would love to have Freud at him...

\link{http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160192,00.html\this} is my favourite story about how Katie Homes became TomKat...

wannaBe1974 · 29/03/2006 13:15

well to an extent I don't have any sympathy with her because she knowingly went into this relationship, but she's never had a baby before, so she can't possibly know what she's agreeing to.

bubblez · 29/03/2006 13:17

wtf!!! it has to be some sort ot sick joke!!

well more fool KH for getting involved in a religion like that.... good luck to her thinking that she can get through giving birth with no pain relif and no noise.... does she think that she is super woman or something?!?!

MeAndMyBoy · 29/03/2006 13:18

What a load of absolute bloody cod's wallop!!!!

TC really is in a world of his own. KH I think is being led by someone she trusts while she is a vunerable state and what he is doing is not in her best interests. I really hope she wakes up and smells the coffee soon.

Tell you what how about he tries to push a grapefruit of his A* while kate is in labour and see if he can do it without making a sound.