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bundle · 29/03/2006 11:20

\link{http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1741763,00.html#article_continue...as Tom n Katie await their very own little l ron hubbard..}
(favourite bit: "By the way, life in the womb is not the paradise it has been presented as. Instead "the womb is wet, uncomfortable and unprotected")

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monkeytrousers · 29/03/2006 21:22

PMSL MI. I went to a party (shock horror) on sat night and left after eating all the pizza and olives and having nothing to drink!

JoolsToo · 29/03/2006 21:23

no screaming whilst in labour and whispering all round - that's it isn't it?

HappyMumof2 · 29/03/2006 21:24

I wonder what they will do if she does scream??

JoolsToo · 29/03/2006 21:26

hair shirt?

hunkermunker · 29/03/2006 21:29

Dangerous fucking lunatics.

pebblemum · 29/03/2006 21:30

During both my labours I was fairly silent, I didnt scream just grunted loudly while pushing but that was my choice, the same as doing it all without pain releif was but if anyone had told me I had to do it in silence and without pain relief I would have told them where to go.

I suppose we should feel sorry for KH as obviously something happened to her when she 'disappeared during April' to make her brain turn to mush. How any woman in todays world could allow a bunch of 'ankers dictate to her how to give birth and raise a child is beyond me. The same goes for taking the child away straight after the birth. if anyone had tried that with me i would have killed them. You have just spent xhrs in absolute agony feeling like you are about to be split in two and then not being allowed to see yur child for days is enough to drive any sane woman mad, then again being with TC obviously has had the same effect on KH.

I feel so sorry for that child, not being given comfort when it hurts itself, and all the other bollocks it will be subjected to by its so called loving parents. That kid is going to grow up to be as disturbed as its dad obviously is.

dyzzidi · 29/03/2006 21:31

I wonder what her parents have got to say about it all?

I can just imagine telling my mum that my Dh wanted me to have a silent labour.

SHe would probably kill him.

SleepyJess · 29/03/2006 21:33

What I don't understand about some of these (IMO) more 'hard to get your head round' religions.. is how/why new followers 'suddenly' start believing that all this 'strange' (to us) stuff is necessary.. how can they suddenly just start believing in it??

SleepyJess · 29/03/2006 21:33

I mean, at what point does a person's own common sense start to get over ridden??!

Uwila · 29/03/2006 21:35

I just can't even imaginf my DH making the birth choices. Gosh, I think I would have slapped him if he suggested any of these things.
I read somewhere recently that Katy asked Posh to be a birth partner, and posh accepted straight away. Posh, the caesarean mum... guess she probably dodn't scream.

HappyMumof2 · 29/03/2006 21:39

TC is also apparently dictating to her what she can and can't eat and she has lost all her self esteem. It is sad, but at the end of the day, she's made her bed, she can lay in it! Grin

(and I'm sure she will get a hefty payout when they split)

hunkermunker · 29/03/2006 21:40

Why the fuck does anyone believe this shit? I mean, seriously? It's so obviously utter cack.

expatinscotland · 29/03/2006 21:43

I guess L Ron - hey, just like the Elven king in the LOTR books! :o - doesn't believe in breast feeding.

Tom revealed his true colours long before this. Like when he applied to divorce Nicole days before their 10th anniversary, knowing that California is a community property state and if they'd been married 10 years she would automatically be entitled to 1/2 of all his assets.

Oh, she was pregnant, too. Lost the baby, tho.

Then there were his enlightened comments about Brooke Shields' going public with her PND. Apparently, Brooke should have taken vitamins, not anti-depressants. Being suicidal was just something she made up, apparently, b/c she was weak.

Katie's an airhead. That much is obvious every time she opens her teeny mouth.

Uwila · 29/03/2006 22:38

One of my favourite TC stories is when he was in London oh I can't rememb, a year or two ago for some film preview. As you may know, the London Eye shuts down for maintenance in the winter months. He wanted BAto open for him. So typical. Tom thinks he can buy anything. But, they said a big fat NO. So he didn't get to go onit. HA HA. Loser!

LaylaandSethsmum · 29/03/2006 22:47

Total fruitbats!!

suzywong · 30/03/2006 03:41

What an utter, utter crock

OK, as SleepyJess asks, HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW do people who have cheifly been brought up in the Judeo-Christian West suddenly start believing this tosh - it's like and Ed Wood film, thanks to the murderous MB for posting those paragraphs -? I mean a large proportion of Scientologists are adult converts so there must be some draw, right?

I mean what is the mechanism that makes the weak of head suddenly swallow all this hogwash? L Ron is not particularly charismatic, there is no deep mysticism a al Kabbalah, there is no vengeful and mighty God to cow the weak-headed in to conformity and there is no ascetism or self-denial as in the upper stratas of Bhuddism and as far as I am aware there is no Nationlistic or Ethnic alliegance, and no physcial marking as "other" done by the followers.

So what, dear MNers, is the mechanism, what's the hook? Surely not just a penchant for terrible sci-fi and made up names or a deep desire to emulate John Travolta and TC?

Seriously, form a physcological and anthropological point of view I am intereted to know.

suzywong · 30/03/2006 03:56

I didnt' mean all people who follow a vengeful and mighty God are weak headed, let me make that clear
And I am suggesting mechanisms of keeping religious followers faithful from a purely objective viewpoint, not offering a judgement value on those mechamisms, so please don't anyone get shirty. I 'm trying to address the question from a scientific reseach approach and that is my limited language so please don't take it personally if you are a top strata Bhuddist.

Also, there is no Clergy to aspire to, in order to have political influence within the government of a nation, no tradition or ancestor worship to follow, so what IS it?

It's actually quite frightening isn't it?

suzywong · 30/03/2006 05:26

And another thing..
How can it be a "Church" of Scientology when there is no sense of the sacred? No holy or sanctified ground, no idolatory, no fetishitic worship - unless you count the recreations of L Ron's desk in each major HQ - no actual worship. The spiritual aspect of this religion seems to be somewhat hollow

Any answers, admittedly you would have to be a pretty brave Scientologist to come on here now and join the discussion but we all think Posh Spice is a secret MNer so this could be her chance.

carla · 30/03/2006 06:17

LOS Ms wong! She's too busy not making a sound about having to be married to Mr Beckham!

CatBert · 30/03/2006 09:14

Using the right techniques it is INCREDIBLY easy to make people believe utterly something different. Most people are shockingly open to suggestion. I think that's why KH was "picked" in the first place. Easy target.

Hasn't anyone ever watched Darren Brown... Freak of nature that he is Grin.

Pruni · 30/03/2006 09:21

One of those things I have heard but can't substantiate:
Didn't L Ron Hubbard bet someone 500 dollars that he could make up a new religion and acquire some followers?

Kathy1972 · 30/03/2006 09:46

I had a boyfriend once who was a former scientologist (although not former enough, as it turned out).
Why people believe in things like this.... well, in his case it made him feel incredibly empowered (they taught him techniques which were actively beneficial in his job, which was sales), it got him away from his very difficult family, and he didn't have enough education to know what a load of tripe all the engrams and auditing stuff actually was. He had had a horrible childhood and he felt like the auditing etc actually freed him from it. I hesitate to say this but I think he probably got quite a lot of good out of it, even though it is all rubbish. But then, that's why cults actively recruit needy people Sad

monkeytrousers · 30/03/2006 09:55

That's the good side of religions in general, I think. It's like the 12 steps - some people need to find a higher power to give themselves up to.

suzywong · 30/03/2006 10:09

yes but what are the bell book and candle elements of it all, I mean where is the charismatic leader and spiritual aspect?

ruty · 30/03/2006 10:16

trust you to compare scientolology with religions in general MT Grin

The only people I have found who are sort of 'high' on their religion and full of confidence on it are those that subscribe to a very fundamentalist version.Obviously not all people who have a faith have that kind of blinding [blinded?] certainty about their 'rightness' over others.

But to have that certainty with Scientology is even more worrying. On the one hand you get David Icke, hounded to obscurity because of his transformation from ordinary sports presenter to 'the Queen is a lizard' nut, and on the other, you get TC, with equally lunatic views, whi is an incredibly successful movie star. Does that say something about the two cultures? Or does it just show how powerful the 'church'of Scientology is? Utterly baffling.