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Sir Roy Meadow to face inquiry

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musica · 18/12/2003 14:56

Here's the story

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eddm · 24/01/2004 15:35

Bunglie, Cheeseball, I can't begin to imagine what you have been through but have just sincere admiration for your honesty and bravery in talking here about what happened to you. I do hope that the outcry about Meadows and his ilk helps you in some way.

wayward · 24/01/2004 20:29

Have any of you seen the discussion
Health - New Cot Death Ruling?
We should act in some way to help people like bungly and cheeseball who can not talk for themselves. I for one am going to write to my M.P. It makes me furious that this has all been going on for 15 years and it is as if we no longer live in a democratic society, when women can have their children removed, in secret courts and then be gagged. What have we come too. We should make our feelings felt. I too cried at the stories but now I am angry and want to help.

eddm · 24/01/2004 20:53

Well said, Wayward. We should protest.

buzzybee · 24/01/2004 21:15

Bunglie and Cheeseball - you are both incredibly brave courageous women. I know you will not do anything which you don't believe will make a positive difference to your lives and the lives of your children. Please have strength and carry on - for you and also for the other nameless mothers out there. You know you have so much support from other mothers. We also feel for the adoptive parents and there is no simple solution - but as has been said below, much better that your children know who their birth mother really is, not some sort of monster as presented by the social services. Their adoptive parents must also feel this way for your/their children.

kiwisbird · 24/01/2004 21:41

Without words no doubt you have heard enough
I feel, I cried I RAGED
Please ket at some time justice to be done, repair isn't an easy option
As a mother I sympathise what can we do to help you?

maryz · 24/01/2004 23:48

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SofiaAmes · 25/01/2004 00:34

bunglie, I think maryz's answer should give you great hope, even though she may worry that it doesn't. My understanding of her worry is not that her children will love her less for knowing their other parents, but that they will be hurt be not being loved by them. It is clear that you have nothing but love to give to your children, and even more, you can give them love where others might have only thought you would give them hate. I think maryz is right, that it would be worth contacting the adoptive parents and discussing things with them first. That would be respectful and recognizing the love and care that they have given to your children. (it's not their fault that they were taken away from you).
I have not slept well for nights since reading your and cheeseballs' stories. I don't think I will be able to sleep well again until I hear that justice has been done and roy meadows can no longer do his evil deeds and the family courts have been reformed.

aloha · 25/01/2004 10:40

Well, we believe you Bunglie and Cheeseball. I have do doubt that this man Meadows is the new Harold Shipman. His former wife has come forward to say that he doesn't like woman. I have emailed my MP Harriet Harman - no response yet though. I suggest we all do the same. Find you MP and email him/her.

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Bunglie · 26/01/2004 17:05

Had a reply from a solicitor. No time to write now but I shall tell you about it later ..... !

aloha · 26/01/2004 17:54

Oh, please do Bunglie.

eddm · 26/01/2004 18:47

Yes, please do. Have written to my MP suggesting parliament should look at this - ask the solicitor general some searching questions, for instance, or demand a review of the family courts system

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Bunglie · 27/01/2004 16:35

Sorry it has taken me so long, however you all seem to be doing the right thing, Give yourselves a 'pat on the back' as I think you are all wonderful.
The solicitor said that I must 'raise awareness', not only of my case but for ALL mothers in this situation, and cheesball's, but we are not allowed to do it ourselves, due to the court order that was made back during the civil proceedings that released my children for adoption. Otherwise I guess that there would be hundreds of people chained to the railings outside the Royal Courts of Justice.
He said that Patricia Hodge was contacting every social service department in the country and that they are going to be asked to identify and hand over details of all cases that have involved evidence from Professor Sir Roy Meadows. Both he and I doubt very much if the social services will be forthcoming with the information. You see they had this wonderful 'cover all' clause, Munchausens-Syndrome-by Proxy. It meant that what ever you did/do as a mother it was a symptom, you showed you cared, and you were over protective or just doing it for show. In short you could never win. Now the social services has been asked to come clean. Will they?
The first priority I think personally is not for women like me, and I say this because there are women (he said 254 - can that really be right?) in prison and 15 awaiting judgment. Obviously the priority must be to undo these terrible wrongs and reunite the families.
For women like me he said their are approximately 5000! I am still in disbelief. He said he was not certain how many of them had been found innocent in a criminal case and still had their children removed in a civil case but 5000 is a lot, and if I want justice now I must 'keep the candle burning' but be very careful not to do anything that could identify me, or especially my children.

  1. I have a right to contact my M.P. about this and Margaret Hodge. Giving them precise details. I have contacted my M.P. but not Mrs Hodge yet.
  2. I should 'mobilize my army' By this he meant that anyone who took any part in the civil proceedings in my case can write to their M.P. and Mrs Hodge giving their opinion, (however they are bound by the same order as me and can not go to the press or talk to anyone else, but and M.P. has something called 'privilidge'. It seems that some cases will be reviewed but unless I particularly put forward my case then I have no garantee that it will be one of them.
  3. As this 'thread' gives no details that could identify me or my children and the responses to my story are positive,(in my opinion wonderful). Sugest that anyone who feels strongly enough about this to e-mail or write to their own M.P. and Mrs Hodge and attach this 'thread'. I am not certain How Mrs Hodge will take some of the comments though!! As I now understand it, the government is waiting for the oucome of the G.M.C. inquirey, which will not open until the autumn. That is a long way off and some children could be seperated from their parents forever by then. It also appears that there are TWO main problems with Prof. Meadows evidence. Firstly his views on Cot death that have been extensively publicised, but secondly his 'creation' of Munshausens-Syndrome-By-Proxy. The jury are still out on that one apparently as to if it really does exist. In a nutshell what I am asking you to do is contact your M.P. (and Margaret Hodge)with your views, so that this can not be burried or forgotten when the initial anger of the recent cases dies down. Now this is only my opinion but I think it is important that the mothers who are in prison are top priority to have their cases reviewed, and I think this is what is happening. Next it must be those who are already in the system awaiting judgment whether it be for a criminal case or a civil hearing where their children could be released for adoption. Lastly comes people like me, and I would love to be top of the list, but I have to be realistic and I have lived with this for 15 years, and I do not expect to have an adoption order overturned. My Children, all children, MUST come first. I can cry when I see those Christmas presents still piled up in the corner for them, because I have not been able to see them to give them to them. I read what Maryz wrote and thank you, I wish that my children's adoptive parents were as open as you. MaryZ, you have given me the insight that I needed and was to close to get. It is therefore important that the adoptive parents do not portray this situation as a threat. IMO I think it would be wrong to uproot a child during it's formative years, it may already have been removed from one set of parents that it loved to be placed with another. It is hard to know what to do, I think each case must be judged on the age of the child, the circumstances and if it has been an 'open' adoption. I do think that I can not expect a court to overturn an adoption order and give me back my children. I want contact, not just 3 or 4 times a year but to be able to hug them and if they want to let them call me mum. More than anything I want them to know the truth, that their mother is not some evil monster, who could harm them. I would like to think that it is something that could be worked out with the adoptive parents. Maryz I did what you sugested and contacted the adoptive parents and they were very defensive. I am trying hard to understand their point of view but I think that they must feel very frightened and they did not give me a chance to explain that I meant them no ill will. I have written to them but have not had a reply. I should have seen my daughter at Christmas but for 'various' reasons they said, they could not manage it. I need to reassure them so that they will arrange a date for me to see her. With regard to my son, now that he is 18, he does not have to attend access meetings and I have not seen him since his 18th Birthday when I know he was told something. I would like the opportunity of telling him my side, (the truth). Oh- dear I seem to have gone On and on I am sorry, but if you feel that you can write/e-mail your M.P. (including this thread if you want) I would be very grateful. It is important that as mothers we never let this happen again and that we do not allow the government to bury this or let it become yesterdays news until their has been some kind of resolution. Oooh I am almost sounding like an anarchist - I'm not honest. Thank you again for your support that motivated me in the first place. Mumsnet is a life saver. Love Bunglie XX

Cheeseball, if you want to e-mail me through mumsnet or I can contact you, as our situations are a little different, I have been given some additional information that applies to you.

I will keep you posted if my M.P. ever does get back to me.

aloha · 27/01/2004 17:20

Wow Bunglie, what an incredibly good, generous person you are. I think your attitude is positively saintly, I truly do. I don't think I would be so lacking in bitterness. I have already emailed my MP - no reply yet, surprise surprise. I will also email Margaret Hodge. Please God, you will write to your children and tell them the truth and they will understand. They MUST have read some of the coverage of this issue and understand that many miscarriages of justice happened. Will you write to them once your daughter is 18?

twiglett · 27/01/2004 18:26

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JanH · 27/01/2004 20:00

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Bunglie, you are a truly amazing woman and deserve to have your children know the truth and love you. I had no idea there were so many of these cases and I hope justice can finally be done in every one.

wayward · 27/01/2004 22:24

Bunglie, wow what a mother you would have been. It makes me weep to think that you were never given the chance. Your children are so very lucky to have such a considerate mother who is more concerned about the welfare of her children than clearing her own name. I will email and write to my mp and isn't it Patricia Hodge, not Maragaret? either way she can expect both an email and letter from me. I can not imagine what it is like to see your children and not let them call you 'mum'. You are their mother you love them. They deserve to know this. Please do not ever give up. Email me if you just want a chat or anything.
May I sugest that we ALL not only contact our M.P.'s but we encourage neighbours, friends anyone who feels strongly about this case. We should make certain that this thread keeps going until I read the words from Bunglie that her children have been told the truth and can call her 'Mum'
Not forgetting the Adoptive parents, you seem so charitable - They should understand that you have no wish to cause YOUR children harm, and that if they work with you then your children can be protected from any further hurt.
Good luck Bunglie. Please keep us updated.

bossykate · 28/01/2004 08:49

bunglie, your message made me cry at work yesterday, and i'm normally far too hard-hearted to cry at mumsnet threads.

aloha, would you mind sharing with us the wording of your email to your mp? i will happily send emails but am a bit stumped as to what exactly to say. it would be much appreciated if you could.

aloha · 28/01/2004 09:28

I wrote something like:

Dear Ms Harman

I am a constituent of yours, and have been following the news about mothers falsely accused of murdering their children after being diagnosed with Munchhausen's Syndrome By Proxy. I strongly believe that the misguided evidence of Roy Meadows has led to thousands of miscarriages of justice, whereby mothers have been jailed or had their children unjustly taken from them. I hope that as my MP and a mother yourself, you will push to see that justice is done for all the families involved, not just those mothers who have been imprisoned. I am particularly concerned about the secrecy surrounding the family court system, which has fuelled those injustices. Women have been forbidden to discuss what has happened to them with their own families, and even with psychologists, despite their own desperate need for help. I hope you will agree that this is wrong, and that the principle of open justice must be restored with the decisions of the family courts open to scrutiny and appeal.
I enclose a message that was recently posted on an internet site for mothers (that was a version of Bunglie's posting - not the whole thread and not with Mumsnet identified, just in case). I hope you will read it and agree with me that this sort of thing must not happen again.

With best wishes

It's probably far too long!

Batters · 28/01/2004 09:50

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bossykate · 28/01/2004 16:29

thanks, aloha

Bunglie · 28/01/2004 19:25

I am overwhelmed by your responses and support. I have been crying out of relief, not sorrow, because I have at last told my story and not been condemned. In fact I have not felt like this for years. I am going to write to my son I think, as he has not contacted me since his 18th birthday when he was given a letter by the social services and I do not know the contents of that letter, as I said I do not know what he thinks. Does anyone have any sugestions how I should approach contacting him. Should I tell him now my side of things and that Prof. Meadows was involved or will that do more damage, I think that perhaps it will. I just want him to know that I love him. I have hope now, two weeks ago I was certain I had lost him and will lose my daughter. Oh God - I'm sorry I must seem very selfish I want them to know the truth but it must be awful for them. Perhaps I should wait until they are older and try to institute contact then. I don't know .... Help! what would you advise so as to cause them as little trauma as possible? I am sorry to say that I have still not heard anything back from their adoptive family and they are very defensive (which I think is understandable).

SofiaAmes · 28/01/2004 22:04

I think that explaining what happened very simply and maybe include a newspaper article that outlines the doubt about roy meadows' testimony so he can see that there are others backing you up. (don't forget he's been brainwashed for a very long time into thinking that there is something wrong with his mother) Just make sure to tell him that you love him. I think that it's important that he doesn't go through life thinking that he comes from an "evil" mother. What advice does the solicitor offer you?