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Sir Roy Meadow to face inquiry

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musica · 18/12/2003 14:56

Here's the story

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aloha · 28/01/2004 22:33

Bunglie, you are so far from selfish it's not true. If this thread has helped you at all then I think we all feel overwhelmed that that is the case. I think Sofia's absolutely right. Your child has the right to know his mother loves him, never wanted to lose him, fought for him as hard as she could, missed him every day and never did and never would hurt him. How could it hurt him to know that? Do you have any idea where he is? How long is it since you heard from the adoptive parents? When does your daughter turn 18?

aloha · 28/01/2004 22:34

Do you have a photograph of yourselves as a family before Roy Meadows tore your family apart? Could you get a copy of that and send it to him? It might make him realise how much he was loved. It must be a terrible, damaging thing for him to believe he was hurt and abandoned.

eddm · 28/01/2004 23:11

Bunglie, I think Aloha has put it very well. Being lied to, believing that your mother tried to hurt you, will be far more damaging than being given the truth ? and the publicity around the Patel/Clark/Cannings cases adds to your own testimony. Not sure this will help, but there's an investigator called Ariel Bruce who is experienced in tracing birth mothers and expert on the politics of adoption and in dealing with the emotions involved. Obviously this is the mirror image of the child seeking parent scenario and a particularly complex and sensitive situation but it may be worth talking to her. She's at www.arielbruce.com.

tigermoth · 29/01/2004 07:54

bunglie, you must, absolutely, let your children know your story. I cannot think of a single reason why you should hold back, especially now Sir Roy meadows has been publically discredited. Your children need to know how much you loved them, and love them still. I think Maryz has put things very well from the adoptive parents point of view and you seem extremely sensitive to parents first, but whatever the outcome of that meeting, you must see your children, talk to them, tell them the truth. This is just my opinion, but after any letter-writing, you must be able to meet your children. You must see their reactions for yourself, look into their eyes, cover everything till you are happy they know your story inside out, have all their questions answered and know how much you love them.

The stories here are so terrible, yours and cheeseballs. I so hope when you tell your stories in years to come, they end with contact and reconciliation. The advice from Aloha and others on whom to contact is fantastic. I am so glad it's already making a difference.

Marina · 29/01/2004 11:52

I just mailed my MP using a format similar to Aloha's. He's always been responsive on parenting issues before so I hope I'll get a good reply.

Bunglie · 30/01/2004 13:21

Dear all,
Many thanks for all of your ideas as to what I should write to my son. I have had a sleepless night and as a result I am not certain that I am thinking that clearly! I thought, if you don't mind I would write here what I have been thinking of writing and you could (if you want) correct my mistakes and tell me how it sounds. I am very conscious of not doing anything that will cause him hurt or confusion. I know he is attached in some way to his adoptive father but it must be so awful for him to find out that the circustances of his adoption were based on a lie. I know that if I were him I think I would believe that lie as it must therefore justify to him why he was taken away from home. He was only 3 and a half when he left me, I then saw him twice a week for three hours (under strict supervision of a social worker in a childrens home or the social services office), I would take toys with me but I was not allowed to take any food or drink for him (or his sister who is 18 months younger). When they were released for adoption my access changed overnight to 3 or 4 times a year. I have NEVER missed an access, I have never missed their birthdays or Christmas, until this year when their presents are here but I have not been able to give them to them.
Right from the start the children were taught how to lie. I do not agree with lying to children but they were not allowed to tell me their new names or where they lived, and were 'primed' on what they were allowed to tell me. I found out by accident their name and their address. I imedietly told the adoptive parents that I knew and I would do nothing that could cause harm or confusion to the children. In the hope I suppose that the children would be able to be more open with me. I even knew what school they went to. What I do not understand is when I told the adoptive parents this and gave them my assurance that I would not go anywhere near their home. They asked me not to tell the children that I knew, so we had to continue to keep up this pretence. It was not until last week that I broke this rule and telephoned them at home, I firstly apologised for phoning but I could not put it in a letter, and secondly I made certain that neither of the children were there. I then told them that Prof. Meadows was involved in my case. The 'Father' was very understanding, but said that he was going back to the adoption agency for advice and would then contact me again shortly. The 'Mother',well she was angry with me (the phone was on a speaker system), and very cross that I had telephoned, and then said that this should be discussed next time I see the children, which she said would be half-term if possible. I explained that I do not want to discuss this in front of the children during my access, I feel that it is something that we as adults should be able to sort out and if only I knew what they had told the children I could protect them from further harm. Does this make sense to anyone? I am telling you this so that you have a bit of background as to the current situation. As yet the adoptive parents have not contacted me back, so should I wait before I send this letter in the hope that they do?
well here is letter, (sorry about the spelling in advance!) Oh - I will write it by hand!

Dear **,
I thought I would write to you again as I have not seen you since your 18th birthday, I realise that you have probably been very busy. I hope that you are well and that you did not catch this 'flu bug'. Luckily I have stayed well and avoided it.
Now that you are 18 I am aware that you received a letter from the social worker who was involved in your adoption. I do not know what it said or what you have been told over the past few years as to why you were placed for adoption.
I just want you to know the truth. It is quite complicated to explain in a letter but I have all of the documents that you are very welcome to read. I would rather not send them to you but I will pay your train fare to come down here or meet anywhere that you want so that we can talk. The last thing I want is to cause you anymore hurt or confusion in your life, you have had too much of that already and I have felt helpless to be of any use to you.
I do not know if you have been aware of all of the news that surrounds a man called Professor Sir Roy Meadows. He was the expert witness that the social services used against me back when you were released for adoption, it was on his recommendation. Recently his theory about munchausen-syndrome-by-proxy has been discredited and many cases are being reviewed and in some very sad and extreme cases mothers who were accused of murdering their children, based on his evidence are being released from prison.
I can only tell you how it has affected me and that I have ALWAYS loved you, fought very hard to keep you and I did nothing to harm you or (his sister). I am pleased that this man has finally been stopped from breaking up families, but in our case it was too late. I am not certain what you know as I have already said but I was actually taken to court having been charged with a criminal offence that accused me of harming (his sister). The jury were ordered by the judge to find me innocent as the prosecution could not provide the evidence required to show that I had committed any crime, and the case was thrown out as their was 'no case to answer'.
I only tell you this so that you know that I was found innocent of any crime against you but by then you had already been in foster care for 2 years and the social services consulted this Professor Sir Roy Meadows. He never saw me, interviewed me or any of my doctors and said that the illness I have now I had self-induced. As you now know this is not the case and if you remember about five years ago you and your sister had to have a blood test to see if you had inherited it. I am so very happy that neither of you did.
With regard to you. Please remember that I always loved you and I love you just as much today as I did back then. I understand that this must be very confusing for you but I am here. You can telephone me on and I shall phone you straight back if you just want to talk. If you want to visit I will send you the money for you ticket. There is no pressure but I have saved everything for you and ** so that you can read it yourself and deduce the truth.
Finally I am grateful to and (the adoptive parents) for giving you a home and this must be very difficult for them to cope with, perhaps you might find it easier to talk to (the adoptive father) about this.
I really do not know what to say except never forget that I love you and although you do not call me mum you are and always will be my son.
With much love
XXX
P.S. I am enclosing an old photograph for you of us all together, I hope you like it?

princesspeahead · 30/01/2004 13:30

bunglie, I think it is perfect, and clearly comes from the heart, and I wish you all the very best of luck and happiness in the world - both in your son's response to this letter, and also to your efforts to get some public acknowledgement of what this horrible ego-centric misogynistic man has done to you and so many others. I can hardly bear to think about what you and cheeseball have gone through.
just remember that even if you don't get an instant response to this letter - after all your son is 18, which is an incredibly difficult age at the best of times - it will be worth sending it as I'm sure given some time he will come to understand what you have been through and what he and his sister mean to you. enormous hugs.

aloha · 30/01/2004 14:14

Bunglie, I hardly ever cry at anything I read here, no matter how touched I am. But I can hardly type this for sobbing. It is a beautiful letter. I don't know how you can have the courage that you have. It is unbearably moving and I pray that your son will read it and recognise the truth.

beetroot · 30/01/2004 14:36

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twiglett · 30/01/2004 14:42

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aloha · 30/01/2004 14:44

Good point Twiglett. I really don't think I should get involved in stuff on other threads as I am still shaking with emotion. But I believe the freedom to speak is the most important thing we have.

dinosaur · 30/01/2004 14:51

bunglie - I have been reading your posts although I haven't posted on your thread before - but I just wanted to say how moving your letter is

very best wishes

dinosaur

jimmychoos · 30/01/2004 14:52

Bunglie I haven't posted here before but I have been following your story. I am crying at work reading your letter. I am in awe of your strength and feel priviliged to have shared your story. Your letter is wonderful and I hope with all my heart your son recognises you through it as the wonderful mother you are.
Love to you and to cheeseball too - I am urging all my friends to email their mps as I have done.
Jimmychoos x

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eddm · 30/01/2004 15:28

Oh Bunglie, your letter is wonderful and I too am crying. Sending you all my best wishes.

sis · 30/01/2004 15:50

Bunglie and Cheeseball, I am really sorry that I hadn't noticed this thread before and haven't given my cyber support to you. Having read your posts, I just want to add that I too think that you and your families have subject to huge injustice and I hope, Bunglie, that you send the letter to both you children. Best wishes.

Bunglie · 30/01/2004 15:57

Thanks Twiglett, I knew you mumsnetters would help me.
How about if I add where I have put 'I just want you to know the truth', which I have been prevented from telling you, due to a court order. And then continue with the bit 'It's quite complicated to explain in a letter'
I did not want to make the letter too long but that is something I think he should know, Thank you for pointing it out. Any other alterations??

aloha · 30/01/2004 16:45

Bunglie, when your letter gets to the bit "He never saw me, interviewed me or any of my doctors and said that the illness I have now I had self-induced." I think it would be very slightly clearer to write, "Even though he never saw me, interviewed me or spoke to any of my doctors, he told the judge that my illness (NAME OF ILLNESS) was self induced'

aloha · 30/01/2004 16:46

Bunglie, I think the bit about the court order is fine.

Bunglie · 30/01/2004 17:46

Aloha,
many thanks, I was never that good at grammar, (or spelling!) You are so right. The only reason I did not put down my illness name was because it is rare and it might identify me, but there is no harm in putting it in the letter to my son.
I am a little bit worried I might have gone over the top by telling him how much I love him. I love him so much and would do anything to give him a kiss and a hug, but I must realise that he is 18 and a boy! Do you think he will find my letter a bit 'slushy'?

wayward · 30/01/2004 18:04

Bunglie,
I do not know where you found the words in the first place, but then they say it is easy to write the truth. I love your letter, and aloha is correct it would read a bit clearer.
My only concern is would it be an idea to tell the adoptive parents that you have written to your son, he may show the letter to your daughter and I remember you saying that you did not want to do anything to upset them in case they stop you seeing your daughter, this way they could not say you went behind their backs.
What do the rest of you think?

aloha · 30/01/2004 18:33

Bunglie, don't hide how much you love him. Yes, he's 18 now, but he still wants to be loved. And if he doesn't respond now (it would be very sad but it might happen) then one day he will re-read this and know you are speaking the truth and come and find you.
I agree that you should tell your daughter's adoptive parents, but you shouldn't let that stop you from telling the truth. There has been too much secrecy already.

aloha · 30/01/2004 19:07

It might also be an idea to say that you don't want or expect him to choose between you and his adoptive parents. And to tell him that you think he deserves to know the truth.

I can't get this out of my mind.

eddm · 30/01/2004 19:33

Bunglie, I think the bit where you say you are grateful to his adoptive parents for giving him and his sister a home is really touching ? I'm not sure you need to say explicitly that you aren't asking him to choose as that is already implied (and stating it might raise the temperature, inadvertently). But go with your feelings, it is your story and you should tell it in your own words. I can't imagine that I could ever be as forbearing as you are in this letter were I in your shoes. You are a wonderful mother.

WideWebWitch · 30/01/2004 19:56

Bunglie, I'm crying too reading your letter. Agree with all the suggestions here and no, don't tone down how much you love him, please don't. I will also email my MP.